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What is wrong with "White pride"?
Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 06:16 PM (1,835 Views)
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What exactly is wrong with being proud of being white? Out of every single race, group, or sexual orientation, white pride is frowned upon and labeled as "racist" and "discriminatory". I understand white supremacy, but white pride? Why are people allowed to be proud of being black, asian, gay, or transsexual but not white?

I never understood why white people are discriminated against in this manner. There's many great things white people have done, there's many great things non-white people have done. There's many reprehensible things white people have done, there's many reprehensible things non-white people have done. Why are whites singled out and targetted for being proud of their race?

If everyone is equal then why can't I be equally proud of my race as other people can?
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It comes from the fact that aside from Jews and early Christians, white people have almost always been the dominant race. Usually by way of spilling blood. So I think it's a case of humility why we don't celebrate white pride. Yes we've invented some cool things and joined up the world but all the history of slavery and the wars we started kind of give it a sour taste.

Personally I think being proud of your skin colour or sexual orientation is pretty stupid anyway, whatever it happens to be. Be proud of your own personal achievements instead.
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The reason is because white pride has a history of almost always devolving into white supremacy with all the racism that comes with that change in thought.
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It's not like white people are the only ones who took slaves or started massive wars and committed atrocities though. Jews were at one point considered a dominant group, Jewish empires have ruled the Middle East for centuries at a time and even committed their fair share of genocides and taken many slaves. Early Christians too, although they didn't have empires established. At this point though they weren't white, and were actually middle eastern.

But anyway, when everyone is supposed to be equal now, but only whites are the only ones not allowed to be proud of themselves, how is that equality? Whites have done nothing the other races and groups haven't done, so why are we supposed to bow down to our "equals"?

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We always did it much worse though.

As I said before, I really don't get the point of celebrating something like this. The other races do it isn't really an excuse as things like black pride and gay pride are equally as pointless.


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I think it's horses*** to be immediately labeled as racist for having so much as an iota of pride in being white, but whatever, that's society these days. Things change. Maybe when everybody is considered all one specialty, there will be some allowance toward this background.
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There is that to a degree, but like Pelador said, those cases are pretty much the Jewish community getting what I can tell, and to be fair, they were for a long time a minority in the same boat as the blacks in America. I guess one could also argue Russians and other Slavic nationalities but once again, they do kind of fall under the same umbrella as the Jews in terms of getting s*** on historically, especially the Ukrainians or the Georgians for example.
Meanwhile for what we dominantly think of as whites ... Well we had Spanish, British, Portuguese, French, American, and so on getting into the imperialism business. By contrast the most famous empire that accomplished the kind of things the Europeans (and American) did was Japan. For better or worse, whites have had a massive and dominating effect on the world, as opposed to the Africans who were note indirect and less often were able to control it, not like the Europeans did anyway.

Whether or not this is fair to you it's another matter, personally I find the entire idea in "racial" or even national pride to be silly anyways. Use your own accomplishments for pride, or have it in everyone, because just about every culture has something to be genuinely proud of, and ultimately we're the same species anyway.
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The reason is because white pride has a history of almost always devolving into white supremacy with all the racism that comes with that change in thought.
That's the same for all racial pride groups, but again only whites are targeted specifically. The New Black Panther party, Nation of Islam, Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, and Tribu KA are a few Black Supremacist groups. Japan had the whole supremacy thing going on for them in the early 1900s and there's still a lot of Anti-foreigner sentiment in Japan right now. Cambodia had the Khmer Rogue going on, Jews have Zionism, and those in South America have a plethora of supremacist groups to choose from from all groups and races.

The only group that until recently wasn't about supremacy was the LGBT movement.
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LGBT movement is about supremacy now?

As for pride, it makes no sense at all. Having pride in something like your skin colour is honestly just meaningless.
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But you haven't said what you think the point is besides everyone else seems to be doing it. Which is very stupid reason by the way. We are not Lemmings. We don't need to follow everyone else's example.


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Social justice, if you're straight and comfortable with yor own gender/sexualityyou're disgusting cis scum who should be burned and died.
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Now you're just talking nonsense.


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Jun 24 2016, 06:58 PM
But you haven't said what you think the point is besides everyone else seems to be doing it. Which is very stupid reason by the way. We are not Lemmings. We don't need to follow everyone else's example.
There is no real point to it. I just get a little miffed when people saying "being proud of being white is racist/discriminatory". It's no more racist or discriminatory than being proud of being Black, Middle Eastern, Asian, South American, or Native American. Why is it such a big deal compared to others? If someone wants to be proud of being white, let them. It doesn't hurt anyone any more than being proud of not being white.
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It's because in recent history white people are not seen to have faced adversity. The same as straight people. And in the case of white people, it's also because they are seen to have been holding down and abusing other races and creeds. The pride of a black person, or a gay person, or a trans person, or a Native American person etc is from having pride in being part of that race despite the adversity and discrimination they have felt. To be proud to be white is to be proud to be 'lucky', or 'privileged' and, for want of a better phrase, nobody likes a sore winner (in the words of Louis C.K., 'I'm not saying that white people are better, I'm saying that being white, is clearly better, nobody can argue that, if it were an option I'd re-up every year').

However, I'm with the general consensus so far in that I don't get national pride or ethnic pride or sexual orientation pride. Those things shouldn't be your personality, which is the case with a lot of people, they're just parts of what makes up your person. The achievements of one white or black or gay or trans person may have an impact on your life and you can be grateful for them, but they are not your achievements just because you share a certain characteristic with them.
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The reason there are these pride movements is because normally they are thought of something be ashamed of. Ashamed of being BLACK or ashamed of being HOMOSEXUAL, this is more or less a counter movement to that idea. When's the last time that society as a whole has shamed people for being white? The answer is pretty much never, not in the places these movements are predominantly taking place anyhow.
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