KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 03:44 PM

Clearin

Jun 27 2016, 09:34 PM

Replying to this a bit late because these topics move so fast.

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So large power = Goku which is completely believable, but we still want to assume that Goku is weaker than Gotenks?

The last time Piccolo saw Goku and Gohan, Goku was much stronger than Gohan. Not to mention that Piccolo is more used to Goku being the guy to come in at the last second with awesome new power and save the day.

If there's a guy in an orange gi flying towards them, it just makes more sense for Piccolo assume it's Goku, rather than Gohan who has always worn purple in the manga.

As for the form debate. I don't think Bootenks and Boohan are different forms than Super Boo, but based of Bootenks line of him being "the most powerful Majin", I do think the absorption are taken into account for power comparisons. Kid Boo is stronger than Super Boo, which would be Super Boo at his strongest, aka with Gohan absorbed.

I don't think it's implied that Piccolo saw him and thought it was Goku, because as soon as he's in visual range Goten accurately identified him as Gohan.

Beyond that, the power scaling says that Gotenks as a SSJ3 barely surpassed Goku (who fought Fat Buu) and the Gohan who fights Evil Buu is about as strong (which is why it's assumed to be Goku)

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 03:51 PM

Piccolo thought Gohan was a new enemy before they would identify him. In no way does he think it's Goku.

Hit

Jul 1 2016, 03:06 PM

Why would he?

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 03:57 PM

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 03:51 PM

Piccolo thought Gohan was a new enemy before they would identify him. In no way does he think it's Goku.

Yes, he states that the object approching them is Goku, Goten corrects him that it's Gohan.

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 04:02 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 03:57 PM

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 03:51 PM

Piccolo thought Gohan was a new enemy before they would identify him. In no way does he think it's Goku.

Yes, he states that the object approching them is Goku, Goten corrects him that it's Gohan.

Okay, yeah. When Gohan gets closer, he sees the gi and thinks it's Goku. Merely a confusion in looks, not strength. At least in all my translations.


I can not tell if he says it here, but I can only assume he does.

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:06 PM

He does. He states that it's Goku, and Goten corrects him thay it's his brother. Piccolo is surprised at how strong Gohan has become.

So yes, it's actually both.

Nagito Komaeda

Jul 1 2016, 04:08 PM

Wait, so SSJ3 Goku (@ Fat Boo) was as strong as Ultimate Gohan yet Piccolo still had to ask him whether he was capable of beating Fat Boo if he went all-out?

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:14 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jul 1 2016, 04:08 PM

Wait, so SSJ3 Goku (@ Fat Boo) was as strong as Ultimate Gohan yet Piccolo still had to ask him whether he was capable of beating Fat Boo if he went all-out?

Uh, didn't I already prove that Goku was using a fraction of his power to fight Fat Buu (judged by Fat Buu's fights with vegeta and Goku, as well as Vegeta's fights with Kid Buu and Goku, and finally Goku and Piccolo's conversation)

There is also the matter of Piccolo's comments of when Gotenks fights Buu (stating at SSJ3, he was the strongest person Buu has fought this far, implying that previously Goku held that benchmark) -if you count the anime, Goku brushes off the comparison between Gotenks and himself-

And yes, at Gohan's arrival, he was assumed to not be enough to beat Buu, which was later retracted when he trashes him

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 04:08 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:06 PM

He does. He states that it's Goku, and Goten corrects him thay it's his brother. Piccolo is surprised at how strong Gohan has become.

So yes, it's actually both.

That's not necessarily true. Piccolo can simply think that Goku is the only one who's capable of such a growth in strength, underestimating Gohan and/or not know the circumstances behind Gohan's sudden change.

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:18 PM

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 04:08 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:06 PM

He does. He states that it's Goku, and Goten corrects him thay it's his brother. Piccolo is surprised at how strong Gohan has become.

So yes, it's actually both.

That's not necessarily true. Piccolo can simply think that Goku is the only one who's capable of such a growth in strength, underestimating Gohan and/or not know the circumstances behind Gohan's sudden change.

It's as true as your scenario.

Nagito Komaeda

Jul 1 2016, 04:17 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:14 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jul 1 2016, 04:08 PM

Wait, so SSJ3 Goku (@ Fat Boo) was as strong as Ultimate Gohan yet Piccolo still had to ask him whether he was capable of beating Fat Boo if he went all-out?

Uh, didn't I already prove that Goku was using a fraction of his power to fight Fat Buu (judged by Fat Buu's fights with vegeta and Goku, as well as Vegeta's fights with Kid Buu and Goku, and finally Goku and Piccolo's conversation)

There is also the matter of Piccolo's comments of when Gotenks fights Buu (stating at SSJ3, he was the strongest person Buu has fought this far, implying that previously Goku held that benchmark) -if you count the anime, Goku brushes off the comparison between Gotenks and himself-

And yes, at Gohan's arrival, he was assumed to not be enough to beat Buu, which was later retracted when he trashes him

Even if we assume that, Gohan arrived on the battlefield suppressed down to Goku's level? Why, exactly?

Was SSJ Gotenks (Post-RoSaT) weaker than SSJ3 Goku (@Fat Boo) then? I mean, Gotenks was putting up a decent fight against an opponent who was >> Fat Boo, yet Gotenks is still that weak?

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 04:19 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:18 PM

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 04:08 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:06 PM

He does. He states that it's Goku, and Goten corrects him thay it's his brother. Piccolo is surprised at how strong Gohan has become.

So yes, it's actually both.

That's not necessarily true. Piccolo can simply think that Goku is the only one who's capable of such a growth in strength, underestimating Gohan and/or not know the circumstances behind Gohan's sudden change.

It's as true as your scenario.

Perhaps, but then Piccolo's reaction implies Goku wasn't strong enough before.

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:24 PM

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 04:19 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:18 PM

Emmeth

Jul 1 2016, 04:08 PM

KidBuu55

Jul 1 2016, 04:06 PM

He does. He states that it's Goku, and Goten corrects him thay it's his brother. Piccolo is surprised at how strong Gohan has become.

So yes, it's actually both.

That's not necessarily true. Piccolo can simply think that Goku is the only one who's capable of such a growth in strength, underestimating Gohan and/or not know the circumstances behind Gohan's sudden change.

It's as true as your scenario.

Perhaps, but then Piccolo's reaction implies Goku wasn't strong enough before.

I agree.

The Goku we see is still weaker than Gotenks, and it remains that way until the final arc where is easily outstrips everyone.