The Anime's Position on Pure Boo

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The Anime's Position on Pure Boo
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+ Pyrus	Jun 27 2016, 09:31 PM Post #76
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The narrator (sorry, not Goku) does explicitly claim Pure Boo is the "most powerful, ultimate" Boo. To me, that doesn't make a lick of sense if he's excluding Evil Boo's powered up versions, or Mega Ultra Tank Boo. How does one become the "ultimate" incarnation of something if one is actually inferior to another incarnation? Even if Goku wasn't counting Gotenks- and Gohan-absorbed Boos as different forms altogether, he'd still have to be taking them into consideration when making that statement, otherwise Pure Boo is in fact not the ultimate Boo – Evil Boo is. Every definition given in the dictionary for "ultimate" equates to Pure Boo being the pinnacle, the maximum, no other Boo has surpassed him. Edited by Pyrus, Jun 27 2016, 09:33 PM.
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+ Clearin	Jun 27 2016, 09:34 PM Post #77
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Replying to this a bit late because these topics move so fast. Quote: So large power = Goku which is completely believable, but we still want to assume that Goku is weaker than Gotenks? The last time Piccolo saw Goku and Gohan, Goku was much stronger than Gohan. Not to mention that Piccolo is more used to Goku being the guy to come in at the last second with awesome new power and save the day. If there's a guy in an orange gi flying towards them, it just makes more sense for Piccolo assume it's Goku, rather than Gohan who has always worn purple in the manga. As for the form debate. I don't think Bootenks and Boohan are different forms than Super Boo, but based of Bootenks line of him being "the most powerful Majin", I do think the absorption are taken into account for power comparisons. Kid Boo is stronger than Super Boo, which would be Super Boo at his strongest, aka with Gohan absorbed. Edited by Clearin, Jun 27 2016, 09:35 PM.



SuperSaiyan1993	Jun 28 2016, 02:27 AM Post #78
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	I do not see a problem with Pure Buu being stronger than Buuhan in the anime. SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta managed to overpower Buuhan. Conversely, Goku needed SSJ3 to fight evenly with Pure Buu. Ultra Buu's power is weird. On one hand, both Goku and the narrator say Pure Buu is stronger. On the other hand, Goku was scared of Ultra Buu, not Pure Buu. Perhaps Pure Buu can conceal some of his power?
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Zoom	Jul 1 2016, 08:06 AM Post #79
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	ekrolo2 Jun 24 2016, 05:39 PM The anime contradicts itself. It has the scene of Goku voicing his concerns over fighting regular Super Boo then has everyone act like Kid Boo is the strongest THEN has Goku say Kid Boo would've been a total non-issue with the potara. I think the anime hyping Pure Boo up is merely there to make the final battle feel more climactic and, of course, to have Goku be the strongest fighter out of the good guys. Exactly my thought. In all mediums (Japanese and English manga, Toei or Funi anime) all had Goku say as Vegito they would wipe Kid Buu easily with a one blast. It serves no purpose to the story besides contradicting themselves.



+ Clearin	Jul 1 2016, 11:56 AM Post #80
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	How would Vegetto one shotting Kid Boo be contradicting anything, even in the anime?



Event Horizon	Jul 1 2016, 01:07 PM Post #81
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	SSj4 Gotenks Jul 1 2016, 08:06 AM ekrolo2 Jun 24 2016, 05:39 PM The anime contradicts itself. It has the scene of Goku voicing his concerns over fighting regular Super Boo then has everyone act like Kid Boo is the strongest THEN has Goku say Kid Boo would've been a total non-issue with the potara. I think the anime hyping Pure Boo up is merely there to make the final battle feel more climactic and, of course, to have Goku be the strongest fighter out of the good guys. Exactly my thought. In all mediums (Japanese and English manga, Toei or Funi anime) all had Goku say as Vegito they would wipe Kid Buu easily with a one blast. It serves no purpose to the story besides contradicting themselves. The general theory is that Vegetto's power split when they defused, so Goku got 50% and Vegeta got the other 50%. If they were to fuse again, a much stronger Vegetto would emerge and hence he'd beat the hell out of Boo. Vegetto (post-split) > Goku ~ Vegeta (post-fusion) > Vegetto (pre) > Goku ~ Vegeta (pre)



+ Emmeth	Jul 1 2016, 01:37 PM Post #82
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Hit Jul 1 2016, 01:07 PM SSj4 Gotenks Jul 1 2016, 08:06 AM ekrolo2 Jun 24 2016, 05:39 PM The anime contradicts itself. It has the scene of Goku voicing his concerns over fighting regular Super Boo then has everyone act like Kid Boo is the strongest THEN has Goku say Kid Boo would've been a total non-issue with the potara. I think the anime hyping Pure Boo up is merely there to make the final battle feel more climactic and, of course, to have Goku be the strongest fighter out of the good guys. Exactly my thought. In all mediums (Japanese and English manga, Toei or Funi anime) all had Goku say as Vegito they would wipe Kid Buu easily with a one blast. It serves no purpose to the story besides contradicting themselves. The general theory is that Vegetto's power split when they defused, so Goku got 50% and Vegeta got the other 50%. If they were to fuse again, a much stronger Vegetto would emerge and hence he'd beat the hell out of Boo. Vegetto (post-split) > Goku ~ Vegeta (post-fusion) > Vegetto (pre) > Goku ~ Vegeta (pre) That theory makes no sense because the main criteria for the potara fusion is that the fusees can never defuse, in theory anyway.
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Event Horizon	Jul 1 2016, 01:52 PM Post #83
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Emmeth Jul 1 2016, 01:37 PM Hit Jul 1 2016, 01:07 PM SSj4 Gotenks Jul 1 2016, 08:06 AM ekrolo2 Jun 24 2016, 05:39 PM The anime contradicts itself. It has the scene of Goku voicing his concerns over fighting regular Super Boo then has everyone act like Kid Boo is the strongest THEN has Goku say Kid Boo would've been a total non-issue with the potara. I think the anime hyping Pure Boo up is merely there to make the final battle feel more climactic and, of course, to have Goku be the strongest fighter out of the good guys. Exactly my thought. In all mediums (Japanese and English manga, Toei or Funi anime) all had Goku say as Vegito they would wipe Kid Buu easily with a one blast. It serves no purpose to the story besides contradicting themselves. The general theory is that Vegetto's power split when they defused, so Goku got 50% and Vegeta got the other 50%. If they were to fuse again, a much stronger Vegetto would emerge and hence he'd beat the hell out of Boo. Vegetto (post-split) > Goku ~ Vegeta (post-fusion) > Vegetto (pre) > Goku ~ Vegeta (pre) That theory makes no sense because the main criteria for the potara fusion is that the fusees can never defuse, in theory anyway. They can defuse with the help of the Dragon Balls. It does make sense in that we can use that as an explanation as to how SSJ Goku was suddenly able to beat Illusion Gohan who was Ultimate Gohan tier. If you can come up with something better, then go on ahead and show it.



* Yu Narukami	Jul 1 2016, 01:53 PM Post #84
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Out of curiosity, if Vegetto's power got split between Goku and Vegeta, how would they be stronger than Vegetto after it?



Event Horizon	Jul 1 2016, 01:59 PM Post #85
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Of course they aren't stronger, it's my mistake I mixed the chain up and realized it first when I replied to Emmeth's post. Vegetto (post) > Vegetto (pre) > Goku/Vegeta (post) > Goku/Vegeta (pre)



+ Pyrus	Jul 1 2016, 02:25 PM Post #86
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	So did Evil Boo get stronger when they split too?
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Event Horizon	Jul 1 2016, 03:06 PM Post #87
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Why would he?



+ Emmeth	Jul 1 2016, 03:28 PM Post #88
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Hit Jul 1 2016, 01:52 PM Emmeth Jul 1 2016, 01:37 PM Hit Jul 1 2016, 01:07 PM SSj4 Gotenks Jul 1 2016, 08:06 AM ekrolo2 Jun 24 2016, 05:39 PM The anime contradicts itself. It has the scene of Goku voicing his concerns over fighting regular Super Boo then has everyone act like Kid Boo is the strongest THEN has Goku say Kid Boo would've been a total non-issue with the potara. I think the anime hyping Pure Boo up is merely there to make the final battle feel more climactic and, of course, to have Goku be the strongest fighter out of the good guys. Exactly my thought. In all mediums (Japanese and English manga, Toei or Funi anime) all had Goku say as Vegito they would wipe Kid Buu easily with a one blast. It serves no purpose to the story besides contradicting themselves. The general theory is that Vegetto's power split when they defused, so Goku got 50% and Vegeta got the other 50%. If they were to fuse again, a much stronger Vegetto would emerge and hence he'd beat the hell out of Boo. Vegetto (post-split) > Goku ~ Vegeta (post-fusion) > Vegetto (pre) > Goku ~ Vegeta (pre) That theory makes no sense because the main criteria for the potara fusion is that the fusees can never defuse, in theory anyway. They can defuse with the help of the Dragon Balls. It does make sense in that we can use that as an explanation as to how SSJ Goku was suddenly able to beat Illusion Gohan who was Ultimate Gohan tier. If you can come up with something better, then go on ahead and show it. I feel like the theory doesn't make sense on the broader scale of DB (not just exclusive to the anime) since it wasn't meant for the fusion to be able to be defused. Elder Kai says plenty times that using the Dragonballs is against nature itself, so I can see the theory having holes. While Goku seemed stronger against Illusion Gohan, it may just be that, an illusion. Vegeta did not seem stronger at all when fighting Pure Boo. It could be like that in the anime, but that's impossible in the manga. Edited by Emmeth, Jul 1 2016, 03:30 PM.
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KidBuu55	Jul 1 2016, 03:44 PM Post #89
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Clearin Jun 27 2016, 09:34 PM Replying to this a bit late because these topics move so fast. Quote: So large power = Goku which is completely believable, but we still want to assume that Goku is weaker than Gotenks? The last time Piccolo saw Goku and Gohan, Goku was much stronger than Gohan. Not to mention that Piccolo is more used to Goku being the guy to come in at the last second with awesome new power and save the day. If there's a guy in an orange gi flying towards them, it just makes more sense for Piccolo assume it's Goku, rather than Gohan who has always worn purple in the manga. As for the form debate. I don't think Bootenks and Boohan are different forms than Super Boo, but based of Bootenks line of him being "the most powerful Majin", I do think the absorption are taken into account for power comparisons. Kid Boo is stronger than Super Boo, which would be Super Boo at his strongest, aka with Gohan absorbed. I don't think it's implied that Piccolo saw him and thought it was Goku, because as soon as he's in visual range Goten accurately identified him as Gohan. Beyond that, the power scaling says that Gotenks as a SSJ3 barely surpassed Goku (who fought Fat Buu) and the Gohan who fights Evil Buu is about as strong (which is why it's assumed to be Goku)



EMIYA	Jul 1 2016, 03:44 PM Post #90
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I don't understand how this whole "Vegetto Split Theory" is supposed. A theory has to have some kind of backing to it, an amount of evidence to support it. Otherwise I might as well make up up the "Decaying Kaioshin Theory" where Boo couldn't keep on to Southern Kaioshin's power because he rotted away after so many years inside Boo. Not to mention it simply doesn't make sense, as already noted. If Vegetto splits, the power should be separated into the two components that made them, obvious point is obvious. If one them got more power then by virtue the other half must get less. That's just, basic mathematics, 1+1=2. No matter how you try to dilute that number, your total components should always be 2 here. Now mind you, Goku in the anime is often put on a much higher pedestal than usual. Once Bootenks unfused, he even remarked that Boo was no longer a threat to him and Gohan IIRC. So him winning against Illusion Gohan at least fits with the previous notion of before in the anime. However this is the exact opposite of Vegeta. Vegeta is somehow fighting relatively well against SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo. If anything, it is Vegeta who should have gotten the massive boost of power in the split and Goku should be the one massively inferior than he was before. But no, he's fighting the strongest Boo of all.



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