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The Anime's Position on Pure Boo
Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 05:35 PM (6,271 Views)
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Wasn't Goku shocked and elated when he was returned to normal size in the manga? I don't remember if this reaction was present in the anime.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Does Vegetto still add in the line where he's shocked that he's beating Boo as bad as he did, or at least surprised in the anime? The line there in the manga helps give an idea that Vegetto never expected the gap to be as big as it was and thus there's no reason for us to make it too massive. Considering Temper Tantrum Boo actually made Super Vegetto struggle a bit, the gap in the anime may end up being smaller than the one in the manga.
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Pyrus
Jun 26 2016, 12:01 AM
Wasn't Goku shocked and elated when he was returned to normal size in the manga? I don't remember if this reaction was present in the anime.
Yes, Goku was shocked in the anime as well.

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Jun 25 2016, 11:41 PM
The key question is whether Goku knew they could return to normal size upon escaping Super Buu.

When Goku and Vegeta fought Miniature Super Buu, they overpowered him. Yet, they could not use ki attacks to escape Super Buu. Thus, the anime seems to imply miniature attacks can damage an opponent of the same size but not an opponent of a large size.

As for the Vegito argument above, this can be reconciled. Because the gap between Vegito and Buu was so great, it transcended the power limitations of the miniature form.

Vegetto's Daizenshuu entry says one of his special abilities is that strength doesn't change, even if his size does.
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Izanagi!

Do you have a scan for that? I've never heard such a thing before.
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I think he's mis-remembering this:

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Jun 26 2016, 11:26 AM
I think he's mis-remembering this:

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He has both Vegeta's coolheaded battle strategies and Goku's pure fighting sense, and there can be no doubt that his strength measures even greater than that of a [Super] Saiyan 3. He is capable of transforming from his normal state into a Super Saiyan form. He has certain special characteristics, including that his strength doesn't change even if his shape does.
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And where is that quote from?

Also, why would Vegetto be special? The Daiz entry just mentions his overwhelming strength, it doesn't suggest that retaining strength while he was candy is unique to him. Anyone who has 'overwhelming strength' should be able to do the same.
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Oh crap, KidBuu is actually right. I was just looking in the wrong box. Sorry.

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It makes it sound like a specific characteristic of Vegetto specifically, likely due to the Kaioshin magic involved in the potara. I don't think Goku gets to keep his full size power too.
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Izanagi!

Fair enough, I concede on Vegetto's ability to retain his power while he's a candy is something that's unique to him. However, the entry is clearly referring to that one instance.

If characters are capable of forming attacks that can wipe out Galaxies, AoE shouldn't be a problem. There's no indixation that being tiny made Goku's ki any weaker or less potent, so all he'd have to do is make a bigger attack than the one he would've made normally.
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Jun 26 2016, 02:54 PM
Fair enough, I concede on Vegetto's ability to retain his power while he's a candy is something that's unique to him. However, the entry is clearly referring to that one instance.

If characters are capable of forming attacks that can wipe out Galaxies, AoE shouldn't be a problem. There's no indixation that being tiny made Goku's ki any weaker or less potent, so all he'd have to do is make a bigger attack than the one he would've made normally.
Read the post above yours.
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KidBuu55
Jun 26 2016, 02:56 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Jun 26 2016, 02:54 PM
Fair enough, I concede on Vegetto's ability to retain his power while he's a candy is something that's unique to him. However, the entry is clearly referring to that one instance.

If characters are capable of forming attacks that can wipe out Galaxies, AoE shouldn't be a problem. There's no indixation that being tiny made Goku's ki any weaker or less potent, so all he'd have to do is make a bigger attack than the one he would've made normally.
Read the post above yours.
I did, but can you help me with one thing?

If tiny Goku didn't keep his full power, how was he able to conpete with Fake Gohan, who was stated to be as powerful as the normal one?
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Super Boo does imply that Goku got weaker when he was tiny. When Goku tries to blast a hole in him, Boo points out the reason he can't is because he's smaller than a flea. This works for the manga obviously, but in the anime it creates this plothole with fake Gohan.

Of course fake Gohan vs SSj Goku was a plothole to begin with...
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Jun 26 2016, 02:57 PM
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Jun 26 2016, 02:56 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Jun 26 2016, 02:54 PM
Fair enough, I concede on Vegetto's ability to retain his power while he's a candy is something that's unique to him. However, the entry is clearly referring to that one instance.

If characters are capable of forming attacks that can wipe out Galaxies, AoE shouldn't be a problem. There's no indixation that being tiny made Goku's ki any weaker or less potent, so all he'd have to do is make a bigger attack than the one he would've made normally.
Read the post above yours.
I did, but can you help me with one thing?

If tiny Goku didn't keep his full power, how was he able to conpete with Fake Gohan, who was stated to be as powerful as the normal one?
I would guess their power is relative to their size. And didn't Goku comment that while their power was the same, their fighting ability wasn't?

Kai doesn't have this scene at all, and still comes to the same conclusion FYI.
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Jun 26 2016, 03:00 PM
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Jun 26 2016, 02:57 PM
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Jun 26 2016, 02:56 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Jun 26 2016, 02:54 PM
Fair enough, I concede on Vegetto's ability to retain his power while he's a candy is something that's unique to him. However, the entry is clearly referring to that one instance.

If characters are capable of forming attacks that can wipe out Galaxies, AoE shouldn't be a problem. There's no indixation that being tiny made Goku's ki any weaker or less potent, so all he'd have to do is make a bigger attack than the one he would've made normally.
Read the post above yours.
I did, but can you help me with one thing?

If tiny Goku didn't keep his full power, how was he able to conpete with Fake Gohan, who was stated to be as powerful as the normal one?
I would guess their power is relative to their size. And didn't Goku comment that while their power was the same, their fighting ability wasn't?

Kai doesn't have this scene at all, and still comes to the same conclusion FYI.
Really? Goku knows how strong the real, full-size Ultimate Gohan was and doesn't suggest that he's scaled down alongside himself.

I'm pretty sure he mentions power.

You're using Kai now?
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