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Dragon Ball Z felt incomplete . . .
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 24 2016, 12:17 AM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	I felt like Dragon Ball Z felt very incomplete. The Buu Arc didn't seem like it should have been the final arc. I didn't like the fact that they left things the way they did with there being so many characters stronger than Goku and Vegeta like Gohan. The final fight with Kid Buu and Goku also didn't feel much like a closing fight. While it was Goku fighting most of the time and Goku was the one to throw the final attack it was Earth's victory not really Goku's. I wanted an Arc where Goku was the strongest and barely won with a victory but not by the Spirit Bomb. I'm not going to be in denial and think Goku was the strongest in the Buu Arc when he wasn't even though it would make me feel better about the arc. Do you guys find the final arc of Dragon Ball Z to be a good ending to it or do you think things should have been different?
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ekrolo2	Jun 24 2016, 12:26 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Namek would've been the best place to end it (seriously, the last shot of the series easily could've been everyone shouting at Porunga to revive Goku and him smiling at his friends and family now that he's back alive). But I don't mind the Boo Saga ending. I don't really give a Kardashian's a* about if Goku's the strongest in the end or not and I think the entire populace of Earth contributing to save the world along with Vegeta accepting Goku and Mr. Satan proving himself a real hero more than makes it a good final battle. Edited by ekrolo2**, Jun 24 2016, 12:27 AM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 24 2016, 01:04 AM Post #3
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	That was sorta the point, I feel. Toriyama wanted to leave it open for new adventures. Personally, I feel the best ending would have been Gohan defeating Boo. Everyone would then be revived with the Namekian Dragon Balls, and the series would end with a marriage ceremony between Gohan and Videl, paralleling the ceremony between Goku and Chi-Chi. Don't get me wrong, I like how the series ended, but the series was building Gohan, and for him to be dropped in favor of one last hurrah for Goku just feels wrong.
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+ Clearin	Jun 24 2016, 01:06 AM Post #4
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I don't like the Oob stuff, but other than that I kinda like how the Boo saga ended, especially with the anime which made things more grand. Imo the best ending would have been Freeza saga. I'm glad it didn't end there since I love the Cell and Boo arcs, but I do feel like it had the most climatic ending. Our main character who started out as a simple forest dwelling monkey-boy, whose biggest feats were killing local wildlife, becoming the "once-in-a-thousand-year" legend and fighting the universes most feared tyrant, on a dying planet. The fight just felt meaningful to the characters, despite the viewer and even Goku never hearing of Freeza before, there's something special about the fact he's the last surviving Saiyan and it's up to him to defeat the one who made his species almost extinct.



Fearless Saiyajin	Jun 24 2016, 03:01 AM Post #5
Legendary of Super Saiyan Posts: 1,484 Group: Member Member #11,648 Joined: September 3, 2014 Gender Male Country India Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT and Ranma 1/2 What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonballZ and Ranma 1/2	The ending sucks to be honest. I would to end the arc where Gohan was getting owned by Bootenks and enter Boo's body to save the kids and Piccolo. After that, Gohan Vs Pure Boo in an equal match like Goku VS Boo.
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GreatSaiyanman	Jun 24 2016, 07:38 AM Post #6
Posts: 27 Group: Member Member #13,272 Joined: June 4, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Ending at the Boo arc was fine. I don't care at all about Oob, and he singlehandedly makes the finale almost completely unsatisfying, but every thing that the series was working towards felt complete, which is something I wouldn't be able to say if it had ended any earlier. Ending it at Freeza would've rendered all of the build up towards Gohan's potential entirely pointless, and assuming Toriyama would've left Goku's fate unknown or had him killed, ending it there also would've felt way too dark for Dragon Ball. And I won't even begin to touch upon what issues there would be if Vegeta was still revived. The Cell arc would've made for a much better ending than the Freeza arc, but even that doesn't necessarily provide complete closure. Vegeta's character wouldn't feel as fleshed out as he should have been, and his relationship with Goku would never had gone anywhere. I could include Krillin and 18's relationship in here too, but I think it would've been a pretty safe assumption to say that they got together even if the Buu arc never happened.



Thiln	Jun 24 2016, 08:01 AM Post #7
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	You could work Vegeta's acceptance and closure with Goku in the Cell arc. Perhaps instead of having there be a quick and glossed over elapse to the Cell Games, Vegeta decides he should finally challenge Goku to a rematch to determine who is the stronger of the two while deciding who is most fitting to confront Cell. To lend further credence and suspense to Gohan's eventual role at the Cell Games, Toriyama could have inserted some cryptic remarks from Goku about not being so sure it would be him or Vegeta who finally take Cell down. Vegeta is incredulous, but he challenges Goku all the same. Similar to the Buu arc - Goku respects Vegeta's pride by accepting while, unbeknownst to Vegeta, limiting his own power so that they're fighting on even level. In the end I would have Goku come out on top without having to power up, thus proving himself to be the superior fighter. After that, Goku finally powers up to show Vegeta how he's been decidedly surpassed. Vegeta is shocked at this new development, but he finally acknowledges Goku as being the stronger fighter and respects his wishes to fight Cell. Everything pans out the same from there except Vegeta's loss of willingness to fight being more concrete.



* Mitas	Jun 24 2016, 08:59 AM Post #8
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	I didn't come away from it thinking it felt incomplete, but I did feel like it was....unnecessary. It almost felt like the first chapter of a new story, rather than the conclusion of the previous one. They could have ended it after the defeat of Cell since that would have seen the conclusion of the whole 'Gohan's potential to be better than Goku' arc. Cell also seemed like a nice final boss since he's almost an amalgamation of every foe they've fought, plus themselves. I do like the idea of the Frieza Saga being the end too, although like someone said above, that would have left the Gohan arc incomplete. But for Goku, it seemed like a perfect ending: vanquishing Frieza, who destroyed his home planet and almost his entire race by achieving the legendary Super Saiyan form.
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Toji	Jun 24 2016, 10:00 AM Post #9
ザラブファントム Posts: 1,102 Group: Member Member #5,229 Joined: September 11, 2010 Gender Other What Browser do you use? Chrome	I know right? No closure on the Farmer's story. At all. I mean, what the hell?
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ekrolo2	Jun 24 2016, 10:44 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Gohan never liked to fight or came off as one for me so I'd be fine if his "development" was cut short in a potential Namek ending for DB.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 24 2016, 04:30 PM Post #11
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Everyone keeps bringing up the end of Z and that isn't what I was talking about. I was solely talking about the main events in the Buu Arc not including the end of Z. I liked the way Toriyama left the end of Z having us come up with our own adventure I just didn't like that he left with Uub.
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Dankness Lava	Jun 27 2016, 05:25 AM Post #12
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Boo Saga was actually a great finale. The Z Fighters were, for all intents and purposes, the strongest beings in existance. They would've kept training, beating any new threats, and no more coverage would be needed. The progrsssion of enemies was grandiose as well. We have the Saiyans, who opened up a whole new dimension to the story. Strong fearsome aliens who cpuld wreck the planets with no issues. The Z Fighters train for them and, in the end, save the planet. Then there was Feeeza. A sadistic tyrant who ruled at least one galaxy. The Z Fighters encounter him on accident while gathering the Dragon Balls on an alien planet, home to Piccolo and Kami. Goku gains the legendary Saiyan form called Super Saiyan and beats him, saving not just Earth and Namek, but also possibly the whole galaxy, hell even universe. Then the Androids and Cell. Modified beings capable of wrecking havoc to the universe potentially. The Z Fighters train and train for them, and in the end they save the day once more. Finally, Boo. The ultimate terror of the universe. A magical being who spelled danger for any it met. The Z Fighters learn new abilities and together manage to just barely conquer the beast. So we go from homegrown threats to: Bloodthirsty aliens, a sadistic tyrant with incredible biology on top of power, mechanical beings with greater power than aforementioned tyrant, a biological being with the greatest techniques and mindsets of the greatest warriors, and finally a magical being who could come back from mere smoke. Now, Kid Boo may have been weaker than the previous form, but that's made understandable for several reasons: It was his natural, original form, everyone had a chance to play the hero, and the story was neatly wrapped up. But in the end, any arc could've possibly been a great ending, if we didn't know about the next arc. Was this a waste of text? Maybe. But I got something out of it, so who cares.



Toji	Jun 27 2016, 11:36 AM Post #13
ザラブファントム Posts: 1,102 Group: Member Member #5,229 Joined: September 11, 2010 Gender Other What Browser do you use? Chrome	My previous comment still stands. ... On a more serious note, I think the ending highlighted that everybody needed to lift their game, and not rely so much on Goku or the dragon balls whenever things go to sh*t. The only person who actually lifted their game in Goku's absence was Vegeta. Everyone else was taking it easy, and they got caught with their pants down when Boo appeared.
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SaiyanBicko	Jul 6 2016, 01:41 PM Post #14
Posts: 7 Group: New Member Member #12,891 Joined: January 25, 2016 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Clearin Jun 24 2016, 01:06 AM Imo the best ending would have been Freeza saga. I'm glad it didn't end there since I love the Cell and Boo arcs, but I do feel like it had the most climatic ending. Our main character who started out as a simple forest dwelling monkey-boy, whose biggest feats were killing local wildlife, becoming the "once-in-a-thousand-year" legend and fighting the universes most feared tyrant, on a dying planet. The fight just felt meaningful to the characters, despite the viewer and even Goku never hearing of Freeza before, there's something special about the fact he's the last surviving Saiyan and it's up to him to defeat the one who made his species almost extinct. Totally agree, I can see why they carried on with DBZ bringing more enemies along for them to battle etc, but the fact we ended up with so many Super Saiyan characters and levels above that made a mockery of the once in a thousand years legend which was brought up so often before it actually happened. The ending felt like a let down in my opinion, previously I've posted a topic about the Buu saga on here giving my thoughts that it was a disappointing end to it all, from the minute Vegeta gets back in his space ship after being defeated on Earth his goal is to get his revenge on the Earthlings and surpass Goku, I appreciate that the way it pans out on Planet Namek with Vegeta fighting alongside the Z fighters (and becoming one!) is really good, but the fact we never see a full on Goku v Vegeta rematch to determine who is the strongest without any mind control being a factor is slightly disappointing. I've always thought after the Cell saga, it'd have been much better to have a World Tournament from start to finish with the final being Goku v Vegeta, with neither ending up dead but fighting to win the tournament and show once and for all who is the stronger Saiyan. For me, that'd have been better than Goku vs Majin Vegeta, and it'd have been one last chance during Dragonball and Dragonball Z to see all of the relevant Z fighters going at it against each other one last time in the series. I also think the way Goku just decides he's off to train Uub at the end of DBZ is a very weak ending. Edited by SaiyanBicko, Jul 6 2016, 01:43 PM.



+ miguelnuva	Jul 7 2016, 10:45 PM Post #15
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	To me to fix the end of Z would have been either Goku facing his third Son instead of Uub or Goku's Son fighting Uub the potential the next gen will have. I still believe the only thing Goku was missing in life was a Son that wanted to train and fight like him with Gohan's potential.
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