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Super Saiyan Pokemon Man 1 Million wrote:

1. Has a more high end feat, when he threw that cube of katchin. Hardest metal is a dub error. In the original manga
it was the densest metal in the universe. That cube was at least 250 cubic feet. In the real world, the most dense metal is osmium which weights around 1250 lbs per square inch. So, to find out how much a 250 cubic foot of osmium is, we multiply 1250x, 12x, 250x. That gives us how many pounds. Then divide by 2,000 to see how many tons. This gives us 1,875 tons. It may seem wrong, but keep in mind this also. When Goku trained in 100x gravity you must factor in his weighted clothes with his body weight. His weighted clothes were stated to be 200 kilos or 400 pounds. Assuming Goku weighs 180 pounds, He would weigh 29 tons. But Goku wasn’t lifting that, he was living with it. His whole body, quite different than pulling a barbel. Goku was throwing rapid kicks and punches. If he weighed 29 tons, he was most likely moving 5-9 tons with each punch. That is like 5 punches per second, or at most 45 tons being moved every second. And he is doing it quickly. Goku never says it’s hard for him to lift 40 tons, he says it was hard to train with 40 tons, which are two different things.

2. The 40 tons feat actually proves Goku is class 100 very easily. If you look at the scan, SSJ Goku was lifting the 40 tons above his head, and was off the ground. Here is where it gets interesting. In order to be lifting something off the ground, you must be pulling with double the force it weighs. But, Goku isn’t standing, he was flying. Meaning Goku isn’t just pulling the object up, but also suspending it in the air. He is already spending 40 tons of force by flying. The fact that he was able to fold his arms up is actually like 80 tons. Because he was off the ground, already lifting the 40, and then moving the 40 tons.
But here is where it gets really interesting, See Goku was punching extremely fast again, with 40 tons on him. To accelerate a mass you must overcome it to reach a certain speed. Punching 5 times in one second, and his arm is like 2ft 10 inches long. He moving 40 tons almost 3 ft 5 times every second. Think of it like this, He is moving 40 tons, when it is already being lifted because he is flying, and moving 80 tons actually 5 times every second. And, laws of physics tell us, that after a punch is going it keeps moving with that force until an equal force stops it, a greater force will stop it. But to pull it back you will need to push back with greater force than what sent it. So, if he is flying already lifting 40 tons. Moving with it, moving actually 80 tons because that is the force pulling him down, but he is flying. And punching 80 tons 5 times per second, but needs to have double an opposing to be able to pull his punches back, Goku is moving 160 tons whenever he pulls his punch back. 160 tons every 5 seconds. What is weird is that this isn’t that far off from Goku’s high end feat, only its in base form when he threw katchin.

3. If we use pL’s Goku lifted 29 tons in 100x normal gravity. His max pL then was 180,000 when he fought Frieza his pL was 3 million. Roughly 16x higher, meaning he could theoretically lift 464 tons. But when Goku goes Kaiokenx20 his pL was 60 million, 20x more, meaning he could theoretically lift,9280 tons. But if keep going, We really do not how much stronger base Goku got. So 9,280 is out pL Goku’s physical LIFTING strength.

4.If you really thought about it, it doesn’t seem all that consistent. How is it that Goku could suplex a 200ft tall Piccolo if he couldn’t even lift 1 ton? How is it that Goku could almost stop an island thrown at him by frieza and survive getting sandwiched between two islands if he can’t lift 1 ton? That is what these insinuate, if 40 tons was SSJ Goku’s max, then your saying base Goku can’t lift 80 pounds.
Think about it, sure he said Vegeta would weigh 18 tons, but he never said exactly how much force he’d eventually encounter. Keep in mind his whole body weighed 18 tons, and he was flying and moving his body already overcoming 36 tons without being a Super Saiyan. So are saying base Vegeta = SSJ Goku?? It makes no sense. Featwise DBZ chars have proven they have strength, What about when SSJ Goku pushed apart a mountain? Or when Goku lifted that giant Glacier in the Android 19 movie? Its inconsistent. I am not saying Goku is super strong, and is the best ever, lol, no. All I’m saying is 40 tons is not his limit, and I highly doubt its consistent.

Ssj3vegito96

Jun 23 2016, 08:49 PM

Here are my issues with the inconsistency and ki control arguments

Let's say they can control the area of effect of their punches. Ok. That explains why it's not always the same and why vegito looks like he doesn't hit as hard as gotenks. The problem is that gotenks hit buy into the ground with the intent of causing as much environmental damage as he could

We have legit feat scenes that showcase the damage of their punches. Assuming they can control the AOE, those scenes may be what happens when they hit too hard to be able to control it, similar to how sometimes they can't have complete control over the AOE of their blasts when they put out their full power. Just an idea

Inconsistency argument only works in other fictional works when there isn't another explanation. For dbz, we do have have an explanation for why their punches' aoe not matching up to the energy blasts'. It's called split durability and it comes from the authors intentions