SS2 Future Gohan(Both arms) vs 17/18

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SS2 Future Gohan(Both arms) vs 17/18
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ekrolo2	Jun 21 2016, 12:18 AM Post #16
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I think his assumption comes from the fact that he's fighting both of them at full power with one arm (literally). If he had decent backup or had an opportunity to fight just one on one, he'd most definitely be more optimistic about his odds. It's pretty much what would've happened to Piccolo if 17 and 18 ganged up on him had he got the upper hand and Cell didn't interfere in their fight. Edited by ekrolo2, Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM.



lazerbem	Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Post #17
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Isn't Future Gohan with both arms only around Mecha Freeza level or something? Since he was weaker than with one arm
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RealSociedad	Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Post #18
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Yes true that the androids were equally against him when they were close using half of their power. But dont forget SSJ2 makes a saiyan A LOT stronger. MSSJ Gohan wasnt even close to beat surpressed perfect Cell (who could have used 60% of his power). Yet when became SSJ2 he could tank hits from full power Perfect Cell. If future Gohan reaches SSJ2 he should be able to take the androids easily out imo.



ekrolo2	Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM Post #19
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	RealSociedad Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Yes true that the androids were equally against him when they were close using half of their power. But dont forget SSJ2 makes a saiyan A LOT stronger. MSSJ Gohan wasnt even close to beat surpressed perfect Cell (who could have used 60% of his power). Yet when became SSJ2 he could tank hits from full power Perfect Cell. If future Gohan reaches SSJ2 he should be able to take the androids easily out imo. Not really true, though. If Future Gohan is a 10 as a Super Saiyan, and the Androids are 30, him becoming a 20 at SSJ2 wouldn't change the fact he'd get murdered by them. Hell, this is probably what would've happened to manga Future Gohan if he got Super Saiyan 2.



+ Pyrus	Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM Post #20
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	lazerbem Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Isn't Future Gohan with both arms only around Mecha Freeza level or something? Since he was weaker than with one arm In the manga, he's just barely inferior to Trunks when killing Freeza. Bulma says the two aren't very different in power, with Trunks being the stronger one, of course. Gohan would've annihilated Freeza all the same as Trunks, minus the swordplay.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 21 2016, 12:23 AM Post #21
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	ekrolo2 Jun 21 2016, 12:18 AM I think his assumption comes from the fact that he's fighting both of them at full power with one arm (literally). If he had decent backup or had an opportunity to fight just one on one, he'd most definitely be more optimistic about his odds. It's pretty much what would've happened to Piccolo if 17 and 18 ganged up on him had he got the upper hand and Cell didn't interfere in their fight. That's a fair point, yeah. Honestly, I think it just boils down to the arm. He gets knocked into the building and promptly killed because he's caught off-guard from the side while he's blocking a punch. If he had his other arm, I've no doubt that he'd have been able to block that hit too or, at the very least, recover more efficiently. Not saying that he could've won, but his performance would've likely been a lot better. Totally agree with you about him being more optimistic under better circumstances. It's just really depressing to see a fighter accept death like it's no big thing in the series. We've had it once or twice, iirc, but never in the context of the Future with no Dragon Balls.



ekrolo2	Jun 21 2016, 12:25 AM Post #22
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Nagito Komaeda Jun 21 2016, 12:23 AM ekrolo2 Jun 21 2016, 12:18 AM I think his assumption comes from the fact that he's fighting both of them at full power with one arm (literally). If he had decent backup or had an opportunity to fight just one on one, he'd most definitely be more optimistic about his odds. It's pretty much what would've happened to Piccolo if 17 and 18 ganged up on him had he got the upper hand and Cell didn't interfere in their fight. That's a fair point, yeah. Honestly, I think it just boils down to the arm. He gets knocked into the building and promptly killed because he's caught off-guard from the side while he's blocking a punch. If he had his other arm, I've no doubt that he'd have been able to block that hit too or, at the very least, recover more efficiently. Not saying that he could've won, but his performance would've likely been a lot better. Totally agree with you about him being more optimistic under better circumstances. It's just really depressing to see a fighter accept death like it's no big thing in the series. We've had it once or twice, iirc, but never in the context of the Future with no Dragon Balls. Well, his death does get really deflated when you realize everyone's being a dick in the afterlife by NOT simply abusing Goku & King Kai to simply revive the dead fighters :P That or just use the Namekian Balls to bring back the Lookout and by extension the ROSAT if it got destroyed in this timeline. Hell, King Kai could just send someone the coordinates of New Namek and boom! Lots of dead people would come back. Edited by ekrolo2, Jun 21 2016, 12:27 AM.



RealSociedad	Jun 21 2016, 12:26 AM Post #23
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	ekrolo2 Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM RealSociedad Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Yes true that the androids were equally against him when they were close using half of their power. But dont forget SSJ2 makes a saiyan A LOT stronger. MSSJ Gohan wasnt even close to beat surpressed perfect Cell (who could have used 60% of his power). Yet when became SSJ2 he could tank hits from full power Perfect Cell. If future Gohan reaches SSJ2 he should be able to take the androids easily out imo. Not really true, though. If Future Gohan is a 10 as a Super Saiyan, and the Androids are 30, him becoming a 20 at SSJ2 wouldn't change the fact he'd get murdered by them. Hell, this is probably what would've happened to manga Future Gohan if he got Super Saiyan 2. I dont think that SSJ2 is just a 2x multiplier. While MSSJ Gohan could do nothing against surpressed perfect Cell, he could tank a brute strike to his face from full powered perfect Cell. SSJ2 is defenitely at least a 3x multiplier. Edited by RealSociedad, Jun 21 2016, 12:26 AM.



ekrolo2	Jun 21 2016, 12:29 AM Post #24
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	RealSociedad Jun 21 2016, 12:26 AM ekrolo2 Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM RealSociedad Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Yes true that the androids were equally against him when they were close using half of their power. But dont forget SSJ2 makes a saiyan A LOT stronger. MSSJ Gohan wasnt even close to beat surpressed perfect Cell (who could have used 60% of his power). Yet when became SSJ2 he could tank hits from full power Perfect Cell. If future Gohan reaches SSJ2 he should be able to take the androids easily out imo. Not really true, though. If Future Gohan is a 10 as a Super Saiyan, and the Androids are 30, him becoming a 20 at SSJ2 wouldn't change the fact he'd get murdered by them. Hell, this is probably what would've happened to manga Future Gohan if he got Super Saiyan 2. I dont think that SSJ2 is just a 2x multiplier. While MSSJ Gohan could do nothing against surpressed perfect Cell, he could tank a brute strike to his face from full powered perfect Cell. SSJ2 is defenitely at least a 3x multiplier. Well, the multiplier thing is debatable but I don't think Gohan's much weaker than say 70% Cell, with a boost of two times along with his rage giving him extra juice, he'd be more than strong enough to tank anything Cell can throw at him



+ Pyrus	Jun 21 2016, 12:30 AM Post #25
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	RealSociedad Jun 21 2016, 12:26 AM ekrolo2 Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM RealSociedad Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Yes true that the androids were equally against him when they were close using half of their power. But dont forget SSJ2 makes a saiyan A LOT stronger. MSSJ Gohan wasnt even close to beat surpressed perfect Cell (who could have used 60% of his power). Yet when became SSJ2 he could tank hits from full power Perfect Cell. If future Gohan reaches SSJ2 he should be able to take the androids easily out imo. Not really true, though. If Future Gohan is a 10 as a Super Saiyan, and the Androids are 30, him becoming a 20 at SSJ2 wouldn't change the fact he'd get murdered by them. Hell, this is probably what would've happened to manga Future Gohan if he got Super Saiyan 2. I dont think that SSJ2 is just a 2x multiplier. While MSSJ Gohan could do nothing against surpressed perfect Cell, he could tank a brute strike to his face from full powered perfect Cell. SSJ2 is defenitely at least a 3x multiplier. It can work, but it's a cramped fit. MSS Gotham - 1 Cell - 1.5 Buff Cell - 1.6-1.7 SPC - 1.9 SS2 Gohan - 2
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lazerbem	Jun 21 2016, 12:46 AM Post #26
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Pyrus Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM lazerbem Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Isn't Future Gohan with both arms only around Mecha Freeza level or something? Since he was weaker than with one arm In the manga, he's just barely inferior to Trunks when killing Freeza. Bulma says the two aren't very different in power, with Trunks being the stronger one, of course. Gohan would've annihilated Freeza all the same as Trunks, minus the swordplay. That was Gohan with one arm, I'm referring to him with both arms, before his training that let him take up to 50% 17 Edited by lazerbem, Jun 21 2016, 12:46 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 21 2016, 12:50 AM Post #27
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	lazerbem Jun 21 2016, 12:46 AM Pyrus Jun 21 2016, 12:22 AM lazerbem Jun 21 2016, 12:19 AM Isn't Future Gohan with both arms only around Mecha Freeza level or something? Since he was weaker than with one arm In the manga, he's just barely inferior to Trunks when killing Freeza. Bulma says the two aren't very different in power, with Trunks being the stronger one, of course. Gohan would've annihilated Freeza all the same as Trunks, minus the swordplay. That was Gohan with one arm, I'm referring to him with both arms, before his training that let him take up to 50% 17 My bad, I didn't read properly. I'm assuming he was around Mecha Freeza before his training, but there's not a lot of evidence for it either way.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 21 2016, 01:05 AM Post #28
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Well, it depends really, wouldn't Trunks contradict Bulma if Two-Armed Gohan was that weak? I realise that Bulma is being used as a mouthpiece for Toriyama, but the last time Trunks sensed Gohan was when he had two arms.



+ Pyrus	Jun 21 2016, 01:10 AM Post #29
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nagito Komaeda Jun 21 2016, 01:05 AM Well, it depends really, wouldn't Trunks contradict Bulma if Two-Armed Gohan was that weak? I realise that Bulma is being used as a mouthpiece for Toriyama, but the last time Trunks sensed Gohan was when he had two arms. He knew his base power from after that, though, didn't he? He could make a fair assumption of his Super Saiyan power.
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lazerbem	Jun 21 2016, 01:13 AM Post #30
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	So shouldn't Gohan with both arms get utterly wrecked even at SSJ2? I mean, he was weaker than half of Android 17's power, only way he's beating them is with different multipliers(which I do get)
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