chapter 13 of the manga

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chapter 13 of the manga
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+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 02:04 PM Post #46
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 19 2016, 01:40 PM Which is to say they're chastising him for not realizing the form had a weakness, and not compensating for it. They have no right to talk s*** when they lose 90% of their strength if they do so much as pop in and out of the form. But the point in Freeza's case was that he came straight to fight without compensating for his forms weakness. THAT was what made Freeza dumb. Simply losing stamina in his golden form wasn't what Goku and Vegeta criticised, it was Freeza planning a life-defining battle without fixing the problem. If you were disabled you wouldn't make criticise another person for being disabled, but you might criticise them for challenging Usain Bolt in a race (assuming that if they lost then they died, just to make the stakes the same). Goku and Vegeta were forced into the battle with Freeza - they had no time to fix their problem then. Likewise, the tournaments date was not set by them. For all we know they might have spent the 3 years training in the RoSaT trying to master being able to transform multiple times without a huge energy sap. The only dumb thing here is that Vegeta went out of SSjBlue when he knows that transforming into it takes up so much energy.



* Yu Narukami	Jun 19 2016, 02:09 PM Post #47
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	How inefficient is SSB if three years of training still meant that Vegeta lost 90% of his power by transforming twice?



+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 02:10 PM Post #48
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Inefficient enough that there's an excuse for the form not to be spammed, and to not become irrelevant by the next saga :P But it's efficient enough if you just stick to the form for a single fight, as long as it's not too long. You just shouldn't power down only to power straight back up like Vegeta did.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 19 2016, 02:16 PM Post #49
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	That's pretty god damn s***ty. Looks like God ki isn't all it's cracked up to be if merely popping in and out of a form that uses it leaves you that drained.
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superperfectnerd	Jun 19 2016, 11:48 PM Post #50
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Wasn't the whole point of blue that it was attained by mastering their ki. They no longer let it 'leak' out when they power up or fight. that kind of implies it's a mastered form with minimal stamina issues just like regular ssj and the very reason they stopped using ssj2 and 3. If Vegeta can lose 90% just by transforming then maybe he should have stuck with ssj2 instead.



+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 11:52 PM Post #51
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	As far as I know Super Saiyan Blue was simply "A Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan." Whatever that means. If Goku has the power of a Super Saiyan God then he shouldn't even be able to turn regular Super Saiyan, unless he has to purposely suppress to a lower power than his base form... But yeah, stamina issues have always been a thing for Blue, it was never mastered.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 20 2016, 12:02 AM Post #52
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	He shouldn't be able to use Super Saiyan God either. As I understood it, he was channeling Super Saiyan God through Super Saiyan, but apparently that's not how it works, at least according to Toyotaro. Like, MozillaVulpix put it best: MozillaVulpix Does anyone else think this is getting a bit too confusing? Goku and Vegeta now have basically 3 interchangeable forms, and each continuity is coming up with different strengths and limitations for them. This is a story made for children and even I have no idea what's going on anymore.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 20 2016, 12:04 AM Post #53
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Maybe what we need is a child to explain it? Edited by Pyrus, Jun 20 2016, 12:05 AM.
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superperfectnerd	Jun 20 2016, 12:05 AM Post #54
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	But that's a ridiculous stamina issue. It's worse than ssj3 in a living body or grade 3. It seems idiotic to rely on it at all. As for Vegeta using it twice in quick succession. Maybe he underestimated how much he'd need it. I mean Hit was only as strong as their regular ssj apparently. Also, maybe Vegeta didn't realise his previous fights had taken as much of a toll. Mainly fighting Magetta without much oxygen. Still, I have to say, the anime hasn't made blue look this flawed and I prefer it. Is Goku never going to use kaioken again now then? It's just like when he used kaioken and ssj against Pikkon and then never used it again. Damn filler kaioken. Edit - I'd be so much happier if their base forms weren't as haxed. If their base forms were still closer to their Z days but ssjg was this amazing, hidden transformation that they can turn into for a ridiculous boost, it'd all be fine. But this god base form, god ssj, ssj god ssj stuff is so convoluted. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jun 20 2016, 12:07 AM.



+ Clearin	Jun 20 2016, 12:11 AM Post #55
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	My only guess to explain all this is the old "Goku can turn God power on and off at will" excuse, and when they do that in base they get red hair. It doesn't really work in the anime anymore due to regular base Goku and Vegeta already showing God levels of power, but I'm not sure if the manga has contradicted it. RoF also contradicts it, but the manga skipped RoF, so maybe we're not supposed to take that as "manga-Super canon". I dunno.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 20 2016, 12:22 AM Post #56
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Toyotara's manga mentions Freeza's invasion, so Resurrection F happened in some capacity, whether it be the movie or anime adaptation.
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superperfectnerd	Jun 20 2016, 12:57 AM Post #57
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	In the anime doesn't Goku say "even Blue won't hold out much longer" when he's using it with kaioken. He can't combine kaioken with any other transformation. To me that implies blue has less stamina issues than even mastered ssj.



+ Pyrus	Jun 20 2016, 01:52 AM Post #58
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	superperfectnerd Jun 20 2016, 12:57 AM In the anime doesn't Goku say "even Blue won't hold out much longer" when he's using it with kaioken. He can't combine kaioken with any other transformation. To me that implies blue has less stamina issues than even mastered ssj. Which sounds completely dumb since they mastered Super Saiyan to be a daily thing.
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Thiln	Jun 20 2016, 03:29 AM Post #59
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	The only explanation I can think of for MSSJ not being combined with Kaioken is the aggressive state of mind continuing to pose an issue. For instance - while they may have tamed the expenditure of the form, the heightened emotional state that's commonly reflected in Super Saiyan would be exacerbated by the Kaioken's artificial amplification of physical strength and speed, which itself is a significant contributor of internal stress on the mind due to the state of aggression that Kaioken seems to frequently put the user in. Super Saiyan Blue has no such inhibitions because the emotional state is even toned with the user able to endure the afflictions of Kaioken. Edited by Thiln, Jun 20 2016, 03:30 AM.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 20 2016, 03:43 PM Post #60
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	What the heck Super Saiyan god is back? This just makes everything freaking complicated.
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