chapter 13 of the manga

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chapter 13 of the manga
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+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 01:00 AM Post #31
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	EMIYA Jun 19 2016, 12:58 AM And wow, Bluper Saiyan is awful! I mean this is easily the worst transformation ever. You barely do anything and you lose 90% of your power? I'd rather have USSJ. I might be slow but it at least lasts and at some point I'm probably going to hit something eventually.. Other than it making zero sense with the Freeza fight, I kinda like it this way. It means that not only can SSjBlue not be spammed, but they should be working on mastering this form rather than introducing yet another 5 forms in the next 3 sagas. Epic: From the quote it looks like it's not SSJ Blue itself that drains the stamina so fast, but turning into it so many times in a short period. Edited by Clearin, Jun 19 2016, 01:08 AM.



~~Judau Ashtha~~	Jun 19 2016, 01:16 AM Post #32
Posts: 83 Group: Suspended Member #12,985 Joined: March 11, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gundam ZZ What Browser do you use? #TheOneCurrentlyWorking Favourite Manga #DontCare	@ He'd rather thrown down a bunch of stuff for "entertainment" purposes without actually..... To be fair, that's essentially what his Job is. You know, basically to provide entertainment.



lazerbem	Jun 19 2016, 01:17 AM Post #33
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	@Clearin But he only went Bluper Saiyan once, no? Or did the manga have him go blue, go back to base, and then transform again for Hit? Even then, that's only two transformations and he's already so exhausted that he makes 100% Freeza or Golden Freeza look like an iron man in comparison Edited by lazerbem, Jun 19 2016, 01:19 AM.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 19 2016, 01:18 AM Post #34
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Judau Ashtha Jun 19 2016, 01:16 AM @ He'd rather thrown down a bunch of stuff for "entertainment" purposes without actually..... To be fair, that's essentially what his Job is. You know, basically to provide entertainment. That's the most basic thing he can do. Not difficult to provide a little bit of consistency in that entertainment to validate it as a piece of work beyond just entertaining people.



lazerbem	Jun 19 2016, 01:20 AM Post #35
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Vegeta's got some bad amnesia to have forgotten this
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+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 01:29 AM Post #36
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	lazerbem Jun 19 2016, 01:17 AM @Clearin But he only went Bluper Saiyan once, no? Or did the manga have him go blue, go back to base, and then transform again for Hit? Even then, that's only two transformations and he's already so exhausted that he makes 100% Freeza or Golden Freeza look like an iron man in comparison He powered down after fighting Cabba. I think the point is that simply transforming into SSjB is what drains your energy super fast. That's what Whis implies: Whis: "He was only to bring forth 1/10 of Blue's power. Blue isn't a transformation that can be done multiple times. Of course then you run into the problem as to why Vegeta powered down again in the first place...



~~Judau Ashtha~~	Jun 19 2016, 01:33 AM Post #37
Posts: 83 Group: Suspended Member #12,985 Joined: March 11, 2016 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gundam ZZ What Browser do you use? #TheOneCurrentlyWorking Favourite Manga #DontCare	@But he only went Bluper Saiyan once, no? Or did the manga have him go blue, go back to base, and then transform again for Hit? Even then, that's only two transformations and he's already so exhausted that he makes 100% Freeza or Golden Freeza look like an iron man in comparison Or there is this possibility that SSB multiplier/power boost is a lot higher than the SSJ. I mean it must be really high to the point that you know maybe mastering the form 100% in order to negate the stamina issues is not feasible. Who knows? But, then again this whole thing wasn't in the anime right? So, I guess no need to keep banging our heads right? lol,I guess we aren't even supposed to make sense out of it, since you know it being a fiction and all. @That's the most basic thing he can do. Not difficult to provide a little bit of consistency in that entertainment to validate it as a piece of work beyond just entertaining people. Well you are not wrong. But, I guess he just choose not to. Now, there is nothing I can do about that right?



lazerbem	Jun 19 2016, 01:36 AM Post #38
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Clearin Jun 19 2016, 01:29 AM lazerbem Jun 19 2016, 01:17 AM @Clearin But he only went Bluper Saiyan once, no? Or did the manga have him go blue, go back to base, and then transform again for Hit? Even then, that's only two transformations and he's already so exhausted that he makes 100% Freeza or Golden Freeza look like an iron man in comparison He powered down after fighting Cabba. I think the point is that simply transforming into SSjB is what drains your energy super fast. That's what Whis implies: Whis: "He was only to bring forth 1/10 of Blue's power. Blue isn't a transformation that can be done multiple times. Of course then you run into the problem as to why Vegeta powered down again in the first place... That's spectacularly arbitrary. One transformation, and there's not even a bead of sweat on him. A second transformation, and woah, he's at just 10% power(despite not exactly looking like he's about to keel over from exhaustion)
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+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 01:43 AM Post #39
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	"Only able to bring forth 1/10th of Blue's power" I'm not sure if Vegeta himself was actually at 10% power, but rather he could only bring out 10% of Blue's power. Using guidebook data for the sake of making a point: If we take the x50 SSj multiplier from the Freeza arc, if SSj had the same downside, then if Goku used it again, it'd only be x5, even if Goku himself stayed at his 3 million power level.



lazerbem	Jun 19 2016, 02:11 AM Post #40
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	True, but then the problem is that Super Saiyan God was doing better than Bluper Vegeta, so Vegeta's Bluper form got even weaker than god form. Unless I'm reading it wrong, that would mean that it's a less than 10x boost, right?
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+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 02:18 AM Post #41
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	You also have to factor in Vegeta's previous fights. He wouldn't have been at full power by then.



Scotty_Rogers	Jun 19 2016, 09:00 AM Post #42
Your Boy Scotty Posts: 718 Group: Member Member #12,887 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Google Chrome.	This should be in the manga section. Glad to see the Kaioken wasn't in this, but SSG coming back is pretty terrible, too.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 19 2016, 01:22 PM Post #43
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Honestly the 10% bit is dumb. I mean, they gave Freeza s* for not mastering his form, so Goku and Vegeta have no right to talk s*.
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+ Clearin	Jun 19 2016, 01:36 PM Post #44
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 19 2016, 01:22 PM Honestly the 10% bit is dumb. I mean, they gave Freeza s* for not mastering his form, so Goku and Vegeta have no right to talk s. They gave Freeza s** for coming to Earth straight away for revenge as soon as he attained the form.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 19 2016, 01:40 PM Post #45
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Which is to say they're chastising him for not realizing the form had a weakness, and not compensating for it. They have no right to talk s*** when they lose 90% of their strength if they do so much as pop in and out of the form.
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