srb-2nv

Jun 18 2016, 07:15 PM

Few highlights from chapter 13

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Goku does indeed use Super Saiyan God in the manga version. Goten calls it Super Saiyan Red, but Trunks corrects him for being dumb and tells him it's Super Saiyan God. So they seem to be making fun of themselves.

Goku has the ability to transform and make himself stronger than Hit, but his Time-Skip is troublesome. So he conserves energy throughout the battle by transforming to only the stage he needs at the time.

Goku in Super Saiyan God is stated to be stronger than Vegeta in Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (while fighting Hit), and Goku can still utilize the latter transformation himself to grow even stronger. (Feels like karma for the anime bulls*** of having Vegeta skip SSG.)

No SSGSS Kaio-ken.

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Fun note. Hit doesn't use ki/stamina to perform his Time-Skip. He can use it indefinitely without weakening himself, but can't use it when drained. As he states that he might only be able to handle one more Time-Skip at full power before it runs out.

Goku is stronger than Hit in terms of pure power with just SS, but he uses up too much stamina to keep up in that form. Goes SSG.

Hit can only fully Time-Stop opponents for the full 0.1 seconds if they're weaker than him. The further they are above him, the less it lasts. So when goku goes SSG, he has trouble holding him back the full time.

Unlike the anime where hit has a set level of power at first, and then later makes huge gains to his power and improved Time-Skip via "growth", Manga!Hit is just hiding his true power at first and unleashes it to counter SSG. He says it's been so long since he used it, that it may not even last a minute.

My biggest issue with the anime is solved here. Goku doesn't ask for the tournament to be turned into a death match. He realizes that, being an assassin, Hit is restricted by the rules. So he just exits the ring and asks to fight again some other time.

Vegeta isn't significantly weaker than Goku after all. Transforming into SSGSS burns through a lot of stamina and power. You can't use it multiple times in a row, even in short bursts. Transforming to show off for Cabba rended him to around 1/10 his full power against Hit.

Zeno's assistants don't seem to say Arale's "Bye'cha", at least not in the Korean version. That's...something.. I guess

Tldr;
Ssb > Ssg > ssj > base
Goku can still transform into a ssjg
Vegeta was drained and only had 10% of his power against hit
No kaioken

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Jun 18 2016, 09:48 PM

Holy s***, Toei actually pulled Kaio-ken x10 out of their asses? Jesus, the last time they did something this egregious was when they made Pure Boo the strongest Boo in the anime. And god dammit, Super Saiyan God Goku is stronger than SSGSS Vegeta? Poor guy can't catch a break, can he?
EDIT: This continues to f*** with the power scaling tho. Like, SSGSS was described as a Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan, which tells me SSGSS should be as strong as Super Saiyan God... Ugh, whatever.
DOUBLE EDIT: Wait, Vegeta was at 10% because he was exhausted? Ok, that makes sense.

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Goku is stronger than Hit in terms of pure power with just SS, but he uses up too much stamina to keep up in that form. Goes SSG.

EMIYA

Jun 18 2016, 10:51 PM

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Goku is stronger than Hit in terms of pure power with just SS, but he uses up too much stamina to keep up in that form. Goes SSG.

*Long and deeply held in venomous sigh*

So the form that you mastered so well in the ROSAT to the point where you could walk around entire days calmly with it...uses too much stamina. My goodness if its not one inconsistency its another.

But at least that whole Kaioken thing was essentially filler.

TheDevilsCorpse

 

Vegeta: "Hey Kakarotto. What are you thinking? throwing away a won fight..."
Goku: "If you had conserved Blue's power too, you might have been able to win. Why would you turn Blue for that Cabba guy when you could have won with just Super Saiyan?"
Vegeta: Hmph. That idiot's spirit couldn't have been fixed without my intervention.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Jun 18 2016, 11:05 PM

EMIYA

Jun 18 2016, 10:51 PM

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Goku is stronger than Hit in terms of pure power with just SS, but he uses up too much stamina to keep up in that form. Goes SSG.

*Long and deeply held in venomous sigh*

So the form that you mastered so well in the ROSAT to the point where you could walk around entire days calmly with it...uses too much stamina. My goodness if its not one inconsistency its another.

But at least that whole Kaioken thing was essentially filler.

Er, I'd argue the form itself isn't burning stamina, the battle itself is forcing a loss of stamina. I mean, Goku lost stamina when fighting Cell, so I don't see why this would be any different.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Jun 18 2016, 11:11 PM

^Same. However, the implication seems to be that because Vegeta used Super Saiyan Blue against Cabba, he used up a lot of energy:

TheDevilsCorpse

 

Vegeta: "Hey Kakarotto. What are you thinking? throwing away a won fight..."
Goku: "If you had conserved Blue's power too, you might have been able to win. Why would you turn Blue for that Cabba guy when you could have won with just Super Saiyan?"
Vegeta: Hmph. That idiot's spirit couldn't have been fixed without my intervention.

EMIYA

 

But at least that whole Kaioken thing was essentially filler.