SSbardock84

Jun 17 2016, 08:24 PM

So I just re-read the fight and the whole time 18 was beating them without them able to land any real hits. They didn't last long until they had to turn into a Super Saiyan.

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:22 PM

it still doesn't change anything.

He can shoot beams if he wants. Just not shoot them with your full power.

I'm really confused now.

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:32 PM

Yes, but she wasn't planing on killing him.

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:34 PM

If the human can fly and shoot beams, then he's bound to survive this, no ?

Humans in DBZ are ridiculously durable compared to us.

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:37 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:34 PM

If the human can fly and shoot beams, then he's bound to survive this, no ?

Humans in DBZ are ridiculously durable compared to us.

Okay, if he's able to survive that, why's she worried about increasing her power a bit to knock him out?

Regardless, they weren't fighting at regular human level in the slightest.

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:39 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:37 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:34 PM

If the human can fly and shoot beams, then he's bound to survive this, no ?

Humans in DBZ are ridiculously durable compared to us.

Okay, if he's able to survive that, why's she worried about increasing her power a bit to knock him out?

Regardless, they weren't fighting at regular human level in the slightest.

What if the guy is also holding back ? What if she increases her power too much ? What if she increases her power but still wouldn't make the slightest difference ?

True that.

Notaka

Jun 18 2016, 12:11 AM

1. Trunks can't use too much of his power, or else he would be exposed.
2.Why can't Goku walk with all of his power ? Obviously, they have control of their power. If they didn't, the earth would have been destroyed just by them charging their energy.
3. Beerus says that Goku can't beat Frieza in his base form. Not only does King Kai agree, Goku doesn't even argue.
If he was stronger than Frieza, then logically he could've just pointed how wrong is Beerus.
4. It's not impossible for fighters to know the full power of someone without them actually being all powered up. Ginyu did this. Beerus checked Goku Thoroughly, and knew Frieza's full power. It's not hard to do a comparison.
5. #18 doesn't have to suppress her power down to the level of a normal human. She increased her power gradually when she fought against them. It's hard to pinpoint your power at a specific amount to knock out your power, without knowing the full extend of their power. what if she overdoes it and kills them ?

I would have been fine with Base Saiyans > Frieza, really. But BoG/Super states otherwise.
It's not even a retcon, the base saiyans were never even stated to be stronger than Frieza in the manga, whereas in Super they were stated to be weaker.

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Trunks was already flying around and fighting at a level that was waaaaaaa~aaay beyond human. If he was worried about getting found out, he wouldn't have flown in the first place.

It's not hard for #18 to increase her strength by just 5/10% to knock Mighty Mask out. You're making it sound as if it's impossible, but if she's skilled enough to lower it down to almost his exact level, she should be able to increase it a little more with no issues whatsoever. If you're admitting that she doesn't have full control and may use too much power, how did she manage to land at the level of power that she did in the first place? Was it by pure luck?

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Feats says otherwise, and they are indiecrtly stated through Vegeta during the World Tournament arc.

Also, Goku noted that if Gohan or Vegeta were alive, he could've potentially fused with them. Now question is, why not Piccolo? He's undoubtly stronger then Frieza too if I recall. He can lower his power to Goku's and do it but Goku doesn't list him as a potential candidate. It can't be because of powers cause Goku is massively stronger then them with Super Saiyan 3, and with info of knowing fusion made entities can't undergo Super Saiyan unless they trained to do so, he was likely referring to their base powers. I mean a fusion of Piccolo and Goku will definitely "threaten" Buu's right.