Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it.

If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.

What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ?

Then she wouldn't get her prize money.

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it.

If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.

What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ?

Then she wouldn't get her prize money.

That wouldn't happen though, would it? Are you saying that she suppressed to the level of Goten and Trunks purely by chance?

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

SSbardock84

Jun 17 2016, 08:01 PM

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 17 2016, 07:57 PM

SSbardock84

Jun 17 2016, 07:41 PM

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 17 2016, 07:39 PM

SSbardock84

Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM

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Why are you so convinced he was suppressed?

Because it makes no sense for him to casually walk around with a ~100 million power level.

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It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it.

I already addressed the point. The entire reason Beerus was there was for SSJ. He wanted to see it and was egging Goku to transform.

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You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there.

Correct and like I said, one throwaway line from Beerus doesn't negate everything said and shown before that, which tells us Base Saiyans > Freeza.

I don't have Goku nearly that high but fair point. And I never changed my opinion either I have always thought Frieza>Base Saiyans.

Even before Super, why would you think that given how much contradicts it?

Ig I just never saw Goku's base power raising from 3,000,000 to 200,000,000 in those years of his training. I will be going back through the manga and changing up a lot of things but for now I sticking with my current opinions. There are small things too like Broly's stated power level, even though it isn't canon it still intersects with the series power levels imo.

If Super Saiyan was a x5 boost then I would end up thinking Base Saiyans>Frieza, but for me anyways I go by x50 so that isn't the case.

He only needs 120 million to match Freeza.

If Namek Base Goku is 3 million, then Future Trunks is stronger than that, Yardrat Goku stronger than that, post-android training Goku, Vegeta, 18, 17, 16, Semi-Cell, ASSJ Vegeta, Initial Perfect Cell, post-2nd RoSaT Vegeta, MSSJ Goku, Boo-arc MSSJ Goku.

I'm not seeing howGoku's Base stays below Freeza through all of that, even ignoring the comments were given that suggests Freeza was surpassed, including Vegeta's about winning in Base, which you still haven't addressed.

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:09 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it.

If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.

What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ?

Then she wouldn't get her prize money.

That wouldn't happen though, would it? Are you saying that she suppressed to the level of Goten and Trunks purely by chance?

No, she suppressed to the point where she wouldn't kill a human.


She doesn't even know it's Goten and Trunks, let alone know their power.

SSbardock84

Jun 17 2016, 08:09 PM

The only thing I can say about it is that Vegeta is being Vegeta. He's always saying things like that and then gets the crap beaten out of him.

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:10 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:09 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it.

If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.

What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ?

Then she wouldn't get her prize money.

That wouldn't happen though, would it? Are you saying that she suppressed to the level of Goten and Trunks purely by chance?

No, she suppressed to the point where she wouldn't kill a human.


She doesn't even know it's Goten and Trunks, let alone know their power.

So Trunks was fighting against someone who he knows defeated his Dad as a Super Saiyan while suppressing down to a regular human's level?

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Except Vegeta is Vegeta when he underestimates opponents. He's already fought 18 and gotten whooped. He's not gonna gloat about taking her in Base if he doesn't think he can.

Vegeta: "We can't use SSJ and my Base is weaker than Freeza, but I'm still gonna win, even with 18 in the tournament. She's way stronger than Freeza but doesn't matter I'll still win lol"

That makes no sense.

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:13 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:10 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:09 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it.

If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.

What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ?

Then she wouldn't get her prize money.

That wouldn't happen though, would it? Are you saying that she suppressed to the level of Goten and Trunks purely by chance?

No, she suppressed to the point where she wouldn't kill a human.


She doesn't even know it's Goten and Trunks, let alone know their power.

So Trunks was fighting against someone who he knows defeated his Dad as a Super Saiyan while suppressing down to a regular human's level?

Yes.

If he used too much of his power, everyone would know it's him. He can't let them know it's him, can he ?
There's literally almost anyone here that was capable of sensing KI.

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:14 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:13 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:10 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:09 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it.

If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.

What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ?

Then she wouldn't get her prize money.

That wouldn't happen though, would it? Are you saying that she suppressed to the level of Goten and Trunks purely by chance?

No, she suppressed to the point where she wouldn't kill a human.


She doesn't even know it's Goten and Trunks, let alone know their power.

So Trunks was fighting against someone who he knows defeated his Dad as a Super Saiyan while suppressing down to a regular human's level?

Yes.

If he used too much of his power, everyone would know it's him. He can't let them know it's him, can he ?
There's literally almost anyone here that was capable of sensing KI.

But he was flying and using Ki blasts? Anybody who can sense Ki would be able to tell it was two people, so that wasn't their concern.

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The problem here is that, Against both Freeza and Cell, Vegeta had not faced their full power. He had underestimated them and paid for it and even he had support. Against Freeza, Vegeta was literally the only person who could even see Freeza's attacks. Against Cell, even No. 16 admitted he should be able to defeat him.

But this is different. He's seen both No. 18 and Piccolo's power and even if they somehow got stronger since then, he should at least realize that if he wants to fight in base, he'll have to be stronger than they were the last time he saw them. He'd at least have to be stronger this SSJ Android Arc self, the one who got beaten around by No. 18 in the first place.

That's why Freeza>Base Saiyans is a load of monkey turds. Vegeta's arrogant, not ignorant. In almost all of his fights that he loses, its not because overestimates himself, it's because he underestimates his opponents. In his respective fights, many people agree that not only is Vegeta strong, he should win. It's just that, his opponents are holding back more power than to be expected.

As said, with Freeza, until Goku arrived, he is literally the closest person to defeating Freeza. Against No. 18, he still manages to hold out against her until really, his stamina ultimately gives out and he's slowly beaten down. Plus, he can't even sense No. 18 so he has no idea how strong she was at the time. Against Cell, No. 16's own readings thought he'd win. He was beating down on Fat Boo but because of Boo's sudden burst of anger, he got wrecked.

There's simply no reason for Vegeta to make such a remark on the way to the tournament, if there wasn't some semblance of truth to it.

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:18 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:14 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:13 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:10 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:09 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Notaka

Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM

Nagito Komaeda

Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM

#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it.

If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.

What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ?

Then she wouldn't get her prize money.

That wouldn't happen though, would it? Are you saying that she suppressed to the level of Goten and Trunks purely by chance?

No, she suppressed to the point where she wouldn't kill a human.


She doesn't even know it's Goten and Trunks, let alone know their power.

So Trunks was fighting against someone who he knows defeated his Dad as a Super Saiyan while suppressing down to a regular human's level?

Yes.

If he used too much of his power, everyone would know it's him. He can't let them know it's him, can he ?
There's literally almost anyone here that was capable of sensing KI.

But he was flying and using Ki blasts? Anybody who can sense Ki would be able to tell it was two people, so that wasn't their concern.

Yes, so ?

There are humans capable of using KI and shooting beams. She wouldn't obviously use all of her power.
That means if she fights Krillin or yamcha, she has to go full power just by the notion they shoot beam.