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Goku vs Frieza
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2016, 04:42 PM (2,511 Views)
* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 07:43 PM Post #31
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:38 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 07:37 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM @Nagito Komaeda: Why wouldn't it change anything? They didn't even know how they were moving. It was completely unpredictable. @Mr. Hashbrowns: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there. If she was able to increase her power to a level where she had a good advantage, she'd be able to hit him before he made any erratic movements. Why didn't every other fighter who was going up against a stronger opponent use erratic and unpredictable moves? It's because they don't work. It's because they can't. You do realize both Goten and Trunks were under that costume right? They weren't making erratic moves on purpose. Yeah, I get that, but where's the end point? Could they have gone up against anyone and fought to a standstill? How strong would a person have to be to counter those erratic moves? 3x as strong? 4x? She even hits him and he crashes into the tournament floor, so even with the both of them fighting, she was able to land a hit on them.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 07:44 PM Post #32
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 07:43 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:38 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 07:37 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM @Nagito Komaeda: Why wouldn't it change anything? They didn't even know how they were moving. It was completely unpredictable. @Mr. Hashbrowns: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there. If she was able to increase her power to a level where she had a good advantage, she'd be able to hit him before he made any erratic movements. Why didn't every other fighter who was going up against a stronger opponent use erratic and unpredictable moves? It's because they don't work. It's because they can't. You do realize both Goten and Trunks were under that costume right? They weren't making erratic moves on purpose. Yeah, I get that, but where's the end point? Could they have gone up against anyone and fought to a standstill? How strong would a person have to be to counter those erratic moves? 3x as strong? 4x? She even hits him and he crashes into the tournament floor, so even with the both of them fighting, she was able to land a hit on them. And they never got any hits on her like that I believe.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 07:47 PM Post #33
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:44 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 07:43 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:38 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 07:37 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM @Nagito Komaeda: Why wouldn't it change anything? They didn't even know how they were moving. It was completely unpredictable. @Mr. Hashbrowns: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there. If she was able to increase her power to a level where she had a good advantage, she'd be able to hit him before he made any erratic movements. Why didn't every other fighter who was going up against a stronger opponent use erratic and unpredictable moves? It's because they don't work. It's because they can't. You do realize both Goten and Trunks were under that costume right? They weren't making erratic moves on purpose. Yeah, I get that, but where's the end point? Could they have gone up against anyone and fought to a standstill? How strong would a person have to be to counter those erratic moves? 3x as strong? 4x? She even hits him and he crashes into the tournament floor, so even with the both of them fighting, she was able to land a hit on them. And they never got any hits on her like that I believe. Yeah, because Trunks can only use his arms. His legs are on Goten's shoulders and Goten's doing nothing. The fact that she couldn't put them down says more about their power than anything else.



Notaka	Jun 17 2016, 07:47 PM Post #34
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Beerus says that Goku isn't able to beat Frieza in his base form. King Kai agrees(at least on BoG, not sure about Super), and Goku doesn't argue. You'd think if Goku was stronger, he'd point Beerus how wrong he is. The manga may have hinted at Base Saiyans > Frieza, but now BoG/Super came and retconned it.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 07:49 PM Post #35
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Notaka Jun 17 2016, 07:47 PM Beerus says that Goku isn't able to beat Frieza in his base form. King Kai agrees(at least on BoG, not sure about Super), and Goku doesn't argue. You'd think if Goku was stronger, he'd point Beerus how wrong he is. The manga may have hinted at Base Saiyans > Frieza, but now BoG/Super came and retconned it. Even if that were the case, you take material that's come out almost two decades after the original material over the original material?



Notaka	Jun 17 2016, 07:51 PM Post #36
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Yes. Toriyama says it. And this topic did say SUPER Goku vs Frieza.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 07:52 PM Post #37
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Notaka Jun 17 2016, 07:51 PM Yes. Toriyama says it. And this topic did say SUPER Goku vs Frieza. A Toriyama who's been out of the game for well over a decade and isn't in the context of the original manga. I realise that the topic is talking about Super, but the general idea of BoG/Super being taken as canon over the original manga is an idea that doesn't make sense to me at all.



Notaka	Jun 17 2016, 07:53 PM Post #38
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	It's sad, but that's how it is.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 07:54 PM Post #39
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Notaka Jun 17 2016, 07:53 PM It's sad, but that's how it is. It really isn't though. Toriyama's come out and said that he doesn't give a damn about consistency, so any kind of 'retcon' that Super makes isn't going to be valid or meaningful, imo.



Slifer	Jun 17 2016, 07:57 PM Post #40
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:41 PM Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 07:39 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM Quote: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? Because it makes no sense for him to casually walk around with a ~100 million power level. Quote: It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. I already addressed the point. The entire reason Beerus was there was for SSJ. He wanted to see it and was egging Goku to transform. Quote: You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there. Correct and like I said, one throwaway line from Beerus doesn't negate everything said and shown before that, which tells us Base Saiyans > Freeza. I don't have Goku nearly that high but fair point. And I never changed my opinion either I have always thought Frieza>Base Saiyans. Even before Super, why would you think that given how much contradicts it?



+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 08:01 PM Post #41
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 07:57 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:41 PM Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 07:39 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM Quote: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? Because it makes no sense for him to casually walk around with a ~100 million power level. Quote: It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. I already addressed the point. The entire reason Beerus was there was for SSJ. He wanted to see it and was egging Goku to transform. Quote: You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there. Correct and like I said, one throwaway line from Beerus doesn't negate everything said and shown before that, which tells us Base Saiyans > Freeza. I don't have Goku nearly that high but fair point. And I never changed my opinion either I have always thought Frieza>Base Saiyans. Even before Super, why would you think that given how much contradicts it? Ig I just never saw Goku's base power raising from 3,000,000 to 200,000,000 in those years of his training. I will be going back through the manga and changing up a lot of things but for now I sticking with my current opinions. There are small things too like Broly's stated power level, even though it isn't canon it still intersects with the series power levels imo. If Super Saiyan was a x5 boost then I would end up thinking Base Saiyans>Frieza, but for me anyways I go by x50 so that isn't the case.
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Notaka	Jun 17 2016, 08:01 PM Post #42
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Honestly I don't really see how they're still stronger on the manga. Goten/Trunks VS 18 ? 18 wouldn't see the need to go all out against "Mighty Mask", an earthling. Vegeta's comment ? That's just Vegeta being Vegeta. His pride makes him think he's stronger than he is. He did the same against Cell and Frieza. guess what happened ? He got his a handed to him. 18 would rip him apart if he tried to fight her in base. There's a gap of 40x between 100% Frieza and Goku's last known power level. I don't really see them getting this stronger without their zenkai, the latter which got decreased ever since they went SSJ. Edited by Notaka**, Jun 17 2016, 08:03 PM.
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Slifer	Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM Post #43
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 08:01 PM Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 07:57 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:41 PM Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 17 2016, 07:39 PM SSbardock84 Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM Quote: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? Because it makes no sense for him to casually walk around with a ~100 million power level. Quote: It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. I already addressed the point. The entire reason Beerus was there was for SSJ. He wanted to see it and was egging Goku to transform. Quote: You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there. Correct and like I said, one throwaway line from Beerus doesn't negate everything said and shown before that, which tells us Base Saiyans > Freeza. I don't have Goku nearly that high but fair point. And I never changed my opinion either I have always thought Frieza>Base Saiyans. Even before Super, why would you think that given how much contradicts it? Ig I just never saw Goku's base power raising from 3,000,000 to 200,000,000 in those years of his training. I will be going back through the manga and changing up a lot of things but for now I sticking with my current opinions. There are small things too like Broly's stated power level, even though it isn't canon it still intersects with the series power levels imo. If Super Saiyan was a x5 boost then I would end up thinking Base Saiyans>Frieza, but for me anyways I go by x50 so that isn't the case. He only needs 120 million to match Freeza. If Namek Base Goku is 3 million, then Future Trunks is stronger than that, Yardrat Goku stronger than that, post-android training Goku, Vegeta, 18, 17, 16, Semi-Cell, ASSJ Vegeta, Initial Perfect Cell, post-2nd RoSaT Vegeta, MSSJ Goku, Boo-arc MSSJ Goku. I'm not seeing howGoku's Base stays below Freeza through all of that, even ignoring the comments were given that suggests Freeza was surpassed, including Vegeta's about winning in Base, which you still haven't addressed.



* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM Post #44
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	#18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it. If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya.



Notaka	Jun 17 2016, 08:07 PM Post #45
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 08:05 PM #18 wants to win the tournament for the prize money, that's it. If she's able to hold back to the level of Goten and Trunks (who aren't at the level of a regular human), why can't she power up a little bit and knock Mighty Mask out of the ring? Don't tell me she was scared, taking a hit from someone who's 10% stronger than you isn't going to kill ya. What if she powers up more than needed, kills him by accident ? Then she wouldn't get her prize money.
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