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Topic Started: Jun 17 2016, 04:42 PM (2,512 Views)
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Jun 17 2016, 07:20 PM
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- Jun 17 2016, 07:17 PM
What evidence is there that she could hold back to the exact level that Trunks was fighting at? She had trouble suppressing her power in the first place, so the idea that she could suppress it with such precision a few chapters down the line is ludicrous. Furthermore, if she was skilled enough to do that, why didn't she just increase her power a tiny bit more and knock/ring out Mighty Mask?
If she thought he was human then she may not have wanted to so she didn't kill him in her mind. Since she has trouble suppressing her power like you said then she might be afraid to let too much out.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:22 PM
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What evidence is there that she could hold back to the exact level that Trunks was fighting at? She had trouble suppressing her power in the first place, so the idea that she could suppress it with such precision a few chapters down the line is ludicrous. Furthermore, if she was skilled enough to do that, why didn't she just increase her power a tiny bit more and knock/ring out Mighty Mask?
If she thought he was human then she may not have wanted to so she didn't kill him in her mind. Since she has trouble suppressing her power like you said then she might be afraid to let too much out.
That still doesn't explain how someone significantly above Freeza and can't sense ki, is able to hold back the exact right amount to fight somewhat evenly with this "human", who is supposedly below Freeza.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:24 PM
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What evidence is there that she could hold back to the exact level that Trunks was fighting at? She had trouble suppressing her power in the first place, so the idea that she could suppress it with such precision a few chapters down the line is ludicrous. Furthermore, if she was skilled enough to do that, why didn't she just increase her power a tiny bit more and knock/ring out Mighty Mask?
If she thought he was human then she may not have wanted to so she didn't kill him in her mind. Since she has trouble suppressing her power like you said then she might be afraid to let too much out.
That still doesn't explain how someone significantly above Freeza and can't sense ki, is able to hold back the exact right amount to fight somewhat evenly with this "human", who is supposedly below Freeza.
She can't sense ki but she can adapt to a battle by holding back. Like I said since she thought he was human she would hold back, she knows how much weaker humans are so she would intentionally hold back knowing this.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:25 PM
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That would imply that Goten and Trunks are at the level of a regular human, though. If she was holding back to that level, she should've been knocked out in an instant.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:26 PM
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- Jun 17 2016, 07:25 PM
That would imply that Goten and Trunks are at the level of a regular human, though. If she was holding back to that level, she should've been knocked out in an instant.
Not unless she was adapting to the battle feeling their strength.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:28 PM
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That would imply that Goten and Trunks are at the level of a regular human, though. If she was holding back to that level, she should've been knocked out in an instant.
Not unless she was adapting to the battle feeling their strength.
And altering her Ki to adapt to it, right? Why didn't she raise it a little above what they were showing and knock them out?
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Jun 17 2016, 07:28 PM
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- Jun 17 2016, 07:17 PM
What evidence is there that she could hold back to the exact level that Trunks was fighting at? She had trouble suppressing her power in the first place, so the idea that she could suppress it with such precision a few chapters down the line is ludicrous. Furthermore, if she was skilled enough to do that, why didn't she just increase her power a tiny bit more and knock/ring out Mighty Mask?
If she thought he was human then she may not have wanted to so she didn't kill him in her mind. Since she has trouble suppressing her power like you said then she might be afraid to let too much out.
That still doesn't explain how someone significantly above Freeza and can't sense ki, is able to hold back the exact right amount to fight somewhat evenly with this "human", who is supposedly below Freeza.
She can't sense ki but she can adapt to a battle by holding back. Like I said since she thought he was human she would hold back, she knows how much weaker humans are so she would intentionally hold back knowing this.
So why fool around and drag the fight on if she's holding back? Once she gets a grip on where to put her power without killing him, just raise it a tiny amount and knock him out of the ring.
And what of Vegeta's comments about having the advantage in Base, right in front of 18? She already kicked his a*** once as a SSJ so he knows how strong she is. Vegeta's arrogant but he's not downright stupid. He wouldn't make that comment in that context if he didn't think he could back it up.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:29 PM
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That would imply that Goten and Trunks are at the level of a regular human, though. If she was holding back to that level, she should've been knocked out in an instant.
Not unless she was adapting to the battle feeling their strength.
And altering her Ki to adapt to it, right? Why didn't she raise it a little above what they were showing and knock them out?
Maybe she did. It doesn't help her that the body of the Masked Fighter was moving unpredictably because there were two people in it.
Edit: @Mr. Hashbrowns: You add in Vegeta's statement when you choose to completely ignore Beerus's because it doesn't measure up to your opinion.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:31 PM
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That would imply that Goten and Trunks are at the level of a regular human, though. If she was holding back to that level, she should've been knocked out in an instant.
Not unless she was adapting to the battle feeling their strength.
And altering her Ki to adapt to it, right? Why didn't she raise it a little above what they were showing and knock them out?
Maybe she did. It doesn't help her that the body of the Masked Fighter was moving unpredictably because there were two people in it. Edit: @Mr. Hashbrowns: You add in Vegeta's statement when you choose to completely ignore Beerus's because it doesn't measure up to your opinion.
She didn't, otherwise the fight would've been over in a second. Mighty Mask moving erratically wouldn't change anything; if she had the power advantage and got a good hit in, he'd be sprawled on the floor and knocked out.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:31 PM
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That would imply that Goten and Trunks are at the level of a regular human, though. If she was holding back to that level, she should've been knocked out in an instant.
Not unless she was adapting to the battle feeling their strength.
And altering her Ki to adapt to it, right? Why didn't she raise it a little above what they were showing and knock them out?
Maybe she did. It doesn't help her that the body of the Masked Fighter was moving unpredictably because there were two people in it. Edit: @Mr. Hashbrowns: You add in Vegeta's statement when you choose to completely ignore Beerus's because it doesn't measure up to your opinion.
I add Vegeta's statement because one comment from Beerus to a suppressed Goku doesn't negate it.
You choose to ignore that.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM
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@Nagito Komaeda: Why wouldn't it change anything? They didn't even know how they were moving. It was completely unpredictable.
@Mr. Hashbrowns: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:37 PM
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- Jun 17 2016, 07:35 PM
@Nagito Komaeda: Why wouldn't it change anything? They didn't even know how they were moving. It was completely unpredictable.
@Mr. Hashbrowns: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there.
If she was able to increase her power to a level where she had a good advantage, she'd be able to hit him before he made any erratic movements. Why didn't every other fighter who was going up against a stronger opponent use erratic and unpredictable moves? It's because they don't work.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:38 PM
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@Nagito Komaeda: Why wouldn't it change anything? They didn't even know how they were moving. It was completely unpredictable.
@Mr. Hashbrowns: Why are you so convinced he was suppressed? It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it. You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there.
If she was able to increase her power to a level where she had a good advantage, she'd be able to hit him before he made any erratic movements. Why didn't every other fighter who was going up against a stronger opponent use erratic and unpredictable moves? It's because they don't work.
It's because they can't. You do realize both Goten and Trunks were under that costume right? They weren't making erratic moves on purpose.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:39 PM
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Why are you so convinced he was suppressed?
Because it makes no sense for him to casually walk around with a ~100 million power level.
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It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it.
I already addressed the point. The entire reason Beerus was there was for SSJ. He wanted to see it and was egging Goku to transform.
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You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there.
Correct and like I said, one throwaway line from Beerus doesn't negate everything said and shown before that, which tells us Base Saiyans > Freeza.
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Jun 17 2016, 07:41 PM
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Why are you so convinced he was suppressed?
Because it makes no sense for him to casually walk around with a ~100 million power level. - Quote:
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It makes the statement meaningless and there would have been no point in it.
I already addressed the point. The entire reason Beerus was there was for SSJ. He wanted to see it and was egging Goku to transform. - Quote:
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You probably thought Base Goku>Frieza before BoG and you don't want to change your opinion, which is fine, even though its there.
Correct and like I said, one throwaway line from Beerus doesn't negate everything said and shown before that, which tells us Base Saiyans > Freeza.
I don't have Goku nearly that high but fair point. And I never changed my opinion either I have always thought Frieza>Base Saiyans.
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