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Transforming further?
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2016, 02:59 PM (528 Views)
+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 02:59 PM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Is it possible that Gohan can transform into a Super Saiyan while in his Ultimate state? People have tried convincing me it's possible but if it was then he would have used it against Super Buu which he obviously did not do. As seen in Battle of the gods he only used his Ultimate state against Beerus charging out at his full power then during Resurrection F he doesn't use it he just uses his Super Saiyan. I was told that, that was him furthering his Ultimate state by using his Super Saiyan. That he was sort of using his Super Saiyan as a crutch to guide his Super Saiyan. I think he lost his Ultimate state entirely at that point and could only use Super Saiyan but it wasn't a transformation on top of his Ultimate. Any thoughts?
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Darker	Jun 17 2016, 08:54 PM Post #2
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	If he was able to transform while mystic, then he should've whooped Bootenks' a***. But he didn't, so he can't transform.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 08:58 PM Post #3
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	I don't see why he couldn't have. It wouldn't have made any difference at the time, though. There was no 'Super Saiyan' power to tap into. If we're talking a few months after the Boo Saga, depending on whether Elder Kaioshin's alteration of Gohan's Ki was permanent, he probably could've transformed and become stronger.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 18 2016, 03:32 AM Post #4
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 08:58 PM I don't see why he couldn't have. It wouldn't have made any difference at the time, though. There was no 'Super Saiyan' power to tap into. If we're talking a few months after the Boo Saga, depending on whether Elder Kaioshin's alteration of Gohan's Ki was permanent, he probably could've transformed and become stronger. But if he could wouldn't he have done it against Beerus? We saw he could still turn into a Super Saiyan but when he went at Beerus he used his Ultimate power. I doubt Gohan would be holding back.
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Saberoph	Jun 18 2016, 03:36 AM Post #5
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I don't think Gohan could transform right after becoming Ultimate, but I do believe overtime when his dormant power resets, he can once again transform. I just believe his dormant power just needs time to reset.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 18 2016, 04:01 AM Post #6
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Saberoph Jun 18 2016, 03:36 AM I don't think Gohan could transform right after becoming Ultimate, but I do believe overtime when his dormant power resets, he can once again transform. I just believe his dormant power just needs time to reset. How long do you think that would take and do you think he would have to train to make it work efficiently?
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Saberoph	Jun 18 2016, 04:03 AM Post #7
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I doubt he would need to since he already mastered SSJ. As for time? Well it depends, because unlike all the other times not just his dormant power was drawn out, but it was drawn out far beyond it's limits. So we really don't know, but I would say it would take anywhere from 4-7 before he can use SSJ again. But that's just me.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 18 2016, 04:11 AM Post #8
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Saberoph Jun 18 2016, 04:03 AM I doubt he would need to since he already mastered SSJ. As for time? Well it depends, because unlike all the other times not just his dormant power was drawn out, but it was drawn out far beyond it's limits. So we really don't know, but I would say it would take anywhere from 4-7 before he can use SSJ again. But that's just me. But 4 years have passed and Gohan got weaker due to lack of training. The Ultimate status went away and he could barely manage a Super Saiyan because he was so weak.
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Saberoph	Jun 18 2016, 04:13 AM Post #9
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	That's not very consistent, since it was 7 years from Cell to Boo and Gohan seemed just fine the first time we see him use SSJ and he didn't train those 7 years. Gohan had already mastered SSJ, so it really doesn't make much sense that he struggles with that power since he trained it to work as a second Base. So if he struggles with SSJ, then he should struggle with his Base power. Edited by Saberoph, Jun 18 2016, 04:16 AM.
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Griffzilla	Jun 18 2016, 04:54 AM Post #10
Posts: 730 Group: Member Member #11,562 Joined: July 29, 2014 Gender Male	His mystic state was a transformation. The kai tells him to access it like he does when he goes ssj. Which is why I don't think ssj is a set multiplier but access to your potential. Anyways, neither here nor there. His ultimate state was beyond ssj so it's like asking, "can ssj2 Gohan go ssj?"
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Saberoph	Jun 18 2016, 01:00 PM Post #11
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	For it to be a transformation there has to be a physical change...since you know that is the very definition of the word, but there isn't one. He tells Gohan to go SSJ and yet he just powers up and there isn't any physical change.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 18 2016, 06:06 PM Post #12
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Saberoph Jun 18 2016, 04:13 AM That's not very consistent, since it was 7 years from Cell to Boo and Gohan seemed just fine the first time we see him use SSJ and he didn't train those 7 years. Gohan had already mastered SSJ, so it really doesn't make much sense that he struggles with that power since he trained it to work as a second Base. So if he struggles with SSJ, then he should struggle with his Base power. That's just another thing that DBS is inconsistent about. Gohan says himself "I can still turn into a Super Saiyan though! I think."
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Goku9000	Jun 20 2016, 05:05 AM Post #13
Posts: 416 Group: Member Member #13,229 Joined: May 27, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ, Tokyo Ghoul, Highschool of the dead, Elfen lied, Deadman wonderland. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	If Mystic Gohan could transform into a super saiyan he would've done it, no doubt. Buutenks wouldn't be able to do s* to him, hell I don't even think he would be able to absorb him, Gohan would just blast through the goo. Here are some numbers, these are not actual dbz power levels just numbers that determine gaps - Super Buu - 190 Ssj3 Gotenks - 210 Mystic Gohan - 320 Buutenks - 420 Ssj Mystic Gohan - 16,000 You see that s*? He would be nearly 40x as strong as buutenks. If Mystic Gohan could transform, the fight would be over before it even started. In RoF I believe he lost his mystic power which is why he could transform, I am pissed at what they did to Gohan in RoF. I don't know about DB Super but I'm sure it's not any different.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jun 22 2016, 09:02 PM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I don't believe that Gohan can turn SSj after he reaches his ultimate form; and even if he could, it would both result in no change in power, as well as cost him ki. Super Saiyan is a change that the body goes through to accomodate a portion of your reserve that is inaccessible to you in your natural form (Base). In other words, you get a new body that is capable of using reserves of your power that you can't use regularly. After Gohan reaches his ultimate form, he had no hidden reserve left to tap into. Despite the increases in abilities that transformations provide, they are always inferior in one way to base form. A transformation is an unnatural state for the user, it therefore puts strain on their body and ki reserve. Ultimate or Mystic essentially modifies the person's body to be able to have unfettered access to all their reserves, making transformations entirely unnecessary. Therefore if Gohan actually had the ability to transform into SSj after he became Mystic, it's likely that he'd have no power increase at all after transforming, and actually lose power because the transformation itself costs energy to both initiate and sustain. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 22 2016, 09:05 PM.
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