Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 19 2016, 08:19 PM

Kyouks

Jun 19 2016, 08:18 PM

I dig hashbrowns, but you're too hostile, sir. I suggest you calm down and eat an inferior french fry to remember that you are above those and above this.

1v1 me on Rust and you'll see hostile.

Pyrus

Jun 19 2016, 09:18 PM

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 19 2016, 08:19 PM

Kyouks

Jun 19 2016, 08:18 PM

I dig hashbrowns, but you're too hostile, sir. I suggest you calm down and eat an inferior french fry to remember that you are above those and above this.

1v1 me on Rust and you'll see hostile.

b***, I was the Rust Emperor.

@Kidbuu: Are you telling me the anime is seriously spot on when it comes to power placements? You're taking into consideration the scenes of SS Goku beating down Ghost Gohan—stated to have the same power as the real Gohan—and then moments later saying he couldn't beat Evil Boo, the one Gohan trounced? I mean, even if you explain away Goku's fears of Boo, he still beat Ultimate Gohan as a Super Saiyan. That either implies a massive gap between Evil Boo and Pure Boo due to Goku's other transformations, which don't align with Boo's absorption, or Goku's got some of the tiniest boosts. Explain to me because I'm starting to doubt my intelligence here, please.

KidBuu55

Jun 19 2016, 07:43 PM

Saberoph

Jun 18 2016, 04:34 PM

Well, when all evidence against him is so overwhelming he doesn't have any other way out.

Besides...I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.

Post it again, because it could have been one of two possibilities:

I actually missed it (possible)
I purposely ignored it because I don't feel it added anything to the discussion/I answered it before.

KidBuu55

Jun 19 2016, 09:23 PM

Pyrus

Jun 19 2016, 09:18 PM

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 19 2016, 08:19 PM

Kyouks

Jun 19 2016, 08:18 PM

I dig hashbrowns, but you're too hostile, sir. I suggest you calm down and eat an inferior french fry to remember that you are above those and above this.

1v1 me on Rust and you'll see hostile.

b***, I was the Rust Emperor.

@Kidbuu: Are you telling me the anime is seriously spot on when it comes to power placements? You're taking into consideration the scenes of SS Goku beating down Ghost Gohan—stated to have the same power as the real Gohan—and then moments later saying he couldn't beat Evil Boo, the one Gohan trounced? I mean, even if you explain away Goku's fears of Boo, he still beat Ultimate Gohan as a Super Saiyan. That either implies a massive gap between Evil Boo and Pure Boo due to Goku's other transformations, which don't align with Boo's absorption, or Goku's got some of the tiniest boosts. Explain to me because I'm starting to doubt my intelligence here, please.

That scene isn't in Kai.

Pyrus

Jun 19 2016, 09:33 PM

KidBuu55

Jun 19 2016, 09:23 PM

Pyrus

Jun 19 2016, 09:18 PM

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 19 2016, 08:19 PM

Kyouks

Jun 19 2016, 08:18 PM

I dig hashbrowns, but you're too hostile, sir. I suggest you calm down and eat an inferior french fry to remember that you are above those and above this.

1v1 me on Rust and you'll see hostile.

b***, I was the Rust Emperor.

@Kidbuu: Are you telling me the anime is seriously spot on when it comes to power placements? You're taking into consideration the scenes of SS Goku beating down Ghost Gohan—stated to have the same power as the real Gohan—and then moments later saying he couldn't beat Evil Boo, the one Gohan trounced? I mean, even if you explain away Goku's fears of Boo, he still beat Ultimate Gohan as a Super Saiyan. That either implies a massive gap between Evil Boo and Pure Boo due to Goku's other transformations, which don't align with Boo's absorption, or Goku's got some of the tiniest boosts. Explain to me because I'm starting to doubt my intelligence here, please.

That scene isn't in Kai.

Why does that matter?

KidBuu55

Jun 19 2016, 07:54 PM

Emmeth

Jun 18 2016, 04:39 PM

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”

Was he referring to Goku all along?

Feeling a strong power =/= stronger than Goku.
Remember, for as supposedly powerful Gohan and Gotenks are compared to Goku, they actually mistake Gohan's HUGE power for Goku.

Emmeth

Jun 18 2016, 06:00 PM

Using and combining statements from manga and anime makes your arguments invalid. If you can't see that, there's no reason to continue this debate. In that case you are 100% wrong every time.

Additionally, anything contradicting Toriyama says after the manga is contradicted by the manga. If Toriyama says Pure Boo was the strongest Boo, he contradicts the manga and makes it invalid. In that case the manga is completely pointless.

It doesn't make my argument invalid, I don't have to play by what YOU think is a valid source. The only reason you want to separate the two is because you continually get proven wrong in every exchange we have, become passive-aggressive in your responses and run away - only to return later when you see other people trying to pile on.

You don't want to 'debate' me, and that's fine. I don't think there is much more that you can present to me that I haven't already heard (which really just consist of you repeating the same line over and over)

And NO, Toriyama isn't 'contradicting' his work, he's telling you what he MEANT his work to say, so you can better understand it. I understand his work perfectly, as did his staff, as did his editors and the interviewers. What EVERYONE who worked on Dragonball is wrong on what they attempted to portray?

KidBuu55

Jun 19 2016, 10:38 PM

Pyrus

Jun 19 2016, 09:33 PM

KidBuu55

Jun 19 2016, 09:23 PM

Pyrus

Jun 19 2016, 09:18 PM

Mr. Hashbrowns

Jun 19 2016, 08:19 PM

Kyouks

Jun 19 2016, 08:18 PM

I dig hashbrowns, but you're too hostile, sir. I suggest you calm down and eat an inferior french fry to remember that you are above those and above this.

1v1 me on Rust and you'll see hostile.

b***, I was the Rust Emperor.

@Kidbuu: Are you telling me the anime is seriously spot on when it comes to power placements? You're taking into consideration the scenes of SS Goku beating down Ghost Gohan—stated to have the same power as the real Gohan—and then moments later saying he couldn't beat Evil Boo, the one Gohan trounced? I mean, even if you explain away Goku's fears of Boo, he still beat Ultimate Gohan as a Super Saiyan. That either implies a massive gap between Evil Boo and Pure Boo due to Goku's other transformations, which don't align with Boo's absorption, or Goku's got some of the tiniest boosts. Explain to me because I'm starting to doubt my intelligence here, please.

That scene isn't in Kai.

Why does that matter?

You know what, I'll work with that. Yeah - Goku as a SSJ is stronger than Base Gohan who he was obviously fighting against, while Vegeta was busy losing to Gotenks and Piccolo.

Now I know you'll say it's Potential Unlocked Gohan, but I don't think that's really plausible, regardless it is just another point to show how fighting inside Buu is nearly impossible...and that Goku is stronger. And that's what really matters.

So instead of grasping at straws here and ignoring Super, the NUMBER 1 statement, the guidebooks, the interviews, how about you just admit you really don't have much else to stand on at this point?

Saberoph

Jun 19 2016, 09:33 PM

KidBuu55

Jun 19 2016, 07:43 PM

Saberoph

Jun 18 2016, 04:34 PM

Well, when all evidence against him is so overwhelming he doesn't have any other way out.

Besides...I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.

Post it again, because it could have been one of two possibilities:

I actually missed it (possible)
I purposely ignored it because I don't feel it added anything to the discussion/I answered it before.

My question is very simple.

If Goku and Chibi Boo are the strongest, they why did Goku tell Vegeta they needed Fusion to beat him?