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Why was Goku so confident?
Topic Started: Jun 16 2016, 03:43 PM (7,600 Views)
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Jun 19 2016, 08:25 PM
I swear if I didn't know you Kyouks.... :)


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And Again, Vegeta who lost to Fat Buu, is willing to fight Evil Buu. He was afraid to fight Kid Buu.


Anyways, just for the sake of things I want to focus on this little quote and again reply...what? Vegeta was rarin' to go against Kid Boo. Both he and Goku thought Kid Boo was a chump and we're glad he changed into this compared to Super Boo or as previously shown, Buff Boo. Even on the Kaioshin planet, Vegeta was ready to duke it out with Boo, got into a game with Goku just so he could fight him. It's established that Vegeta for some reason despite seeing SSj3 Goku and boo fight, underestimated Kid Boo and didn't realize just how powerful he'd be.

He was far more willing to fight Kid boo than he never did with Super Boo.

@ Lazuli

That chart wouldn't be able to work because he's already trying to use the anime lines about Kid boo being the strongest, which by that should put him above any Boo, Ultimate Boo included.
And false:

Vegeta actually states that he's no match for Kid Buu, and no one BUT Goku could fight him.

When he speaks to Goku again, he literally repeats that: 'Buu would kill me in an instant, don't spare my feeling - you never planned on switching out with me...this Buu is stronger than I imagined'

But inside of Evil Buu, Vegeta accomplished his plan of reverting Buu back and wanted to leave and immediately face him.
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Your claim: Goku wasn't willing to fight Evil Buu
Truth: Goku was going to fight Evil Buu.

No amount of twisting will change that.


No, Goku wasn't willing to fight Evil Boo. He literally just explained to Vegeta that fighting him without fusion is out of the question. Then Boo shows up inside his own body and backs them into a corner. They kinda had to get ready for a fight at that point.
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Goku was willing to fight Evil Boo in the same way that Vegeta was willing to fight Pure Boo; they didn't want to, but they were forced to. You say it isn't relevant, but if Goku was stronger than Evil Boo, why wouldn't he choose to fight him and then escape instead of choosing escape as his first option?

I forgot the scene where Vegeta was raring to go against Evil Boo, could ya remind me where it happened again?

Are you forgetting that Pure Boo blew up the Earth pretty much the moment he formed? It would mean the destruction of the Earth if he came back because that's how he operates; he's so unpredictable, while other fighters would rather have an actual fight and wouldn't be willing to blow up the planet the second they got there. Could you provide that statement. No point in sayin' that a character outright states something if there isn't a supporting statement to go with it.

It really does. You're just adamant about Goku being stronger than Gohan. The statement still works if your view isn't the correct one.
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KidBuu55
Jun 19 2016, 08:34 PM
EMIYA
Jun 19 2016, 08:25 PM
I swear if I didn't know you Kyouks.... :)


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And Again, Vegeta who lost to Fat Buu, is willing to fight Evil Buu. He was afraid to fight Kid Buu.


Anyways, just for the sake of things I want to focus on this little quote and again reply...what? Vegeta was rarin' to go against Kid Boo. Both he and Goku thought Kid Boo was a chump and we're glad he changed into this compared to Super Boo or as previously shown, Buff Boo. Even on the Kaioshin planet, Vegeta was ready to duke it out with Boo, got into a game with Goku just so he could fight him. It's established that Vegeta for some reason despite seeing SSj3 Goku and boo fight, underestimated Kid Boo and didn't realize just how powerful he'd be.

He was far more willing to fight Kid boo than he never did with Super Boo.

@ Lazuli

That chart wouldn't be able to work because he's already trying to use the anime lines about Kid boo being the strongest, which by that should put him above any Boo, Ultimate Boo included.
And false:

Vegeta actually states that he's no match for Kid Buu, and no one BUT Goku could fight him.

When he speaks to Goku again, he literally repeats that: 'Buu would kill me in an instant, don't spare my feeling - you never planned on switching out with me...this Buu is stronger than I imagined'

But inside of Evil Buu, Vegeta accomplished his plan of reverting Buu back and wanted to leave and immediately face him.
Yeah he admits he couldn't beat Kid Boo. He never once says he's afraid.

And he instantly gets called out by Goku who tells him point blank that without fusion they can't beat Super Boo
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Jun 19 2016, 08:34 PM
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Your claim: Goku wasn't willing to fight Evil Buu
Truth: Goku was going to fight Evil Buu.

No amount of twisting will change that.


No, Goku wasn't willing to fight Evil Boo. He literally just explained to Vegeta that fighting him without fusion is out of the question. Then Boo shows up inside his own body and backs them into a corner. They kinda had to get ready for a fight at that point.
You keep saying this, and I will keep posting

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Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”


Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”


So Goku is willing to fight Buu.
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KidBuu55
Jun 19 2016, 08:37 PM
Mr. Hashbrowns
Jun 19 2016, 08:34 PM
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Your claim: Goku wasn't willing to fight Evil Buu
Truth: Goku was going to fight Evil Buu.

No amount of twisting will change that.


No, Goku wasn't willing to fight Evil Boo. He literally just explained to Vegeta that fighting him without fusion is out of the question. Then Boo shows up inside his own body and backs them into a corner. They kinda had to get ready for a fight at that point.
You keep saying this, and I will keep posting

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Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”


Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”


So Goku is willing to fight Buu.
What's Goku supposed to say? "We're no match for you. Go ahead and bend us over but please, PLEASE make it quick". Or maybe Goku is so strong that he planned on beating him as a SSJ. Who needs SSJ3?

I see you've ignored my request for your SSJ2 Vegeta placement for the second time.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I'm still waiting for the legit counterargument for Elder Kaioshin telling Goku that both he and Gohan can't defeat Gotenks Boo without fusion. I'm still waiting for the counterargument for why Goku point blank told Vegeta they couldn't beat Super Boo without fusion. I'm still waiting for the counterargument for why Goku point blank told Vegeta that without the Potara, they couldn't defeat Gohan Boo. I'm still waiting for the counter argument for why Goku was desperate enough to do a life long fusion with Gohan, Vegeta and even Mr. Satan if it meant letting him win against Boo if he's supposed to be so much stronger. I'm still waiting for why Goku asked Vegeta to bring Gohan and Gotenks over if they're so much weaker than Kid Boo and himself.

I'm waiting for a lot of things actually and I have yet to receive them.
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Jun 19 2016, 08:37 PM
Goku was willing to fight Evil Boo in the same way that Vegeta was willing to fight Pure Boo; they didn't want to, but they were forced to. You say it isn't relevant, but if Goku was stronger than Evil Boo, why wouldn't he choose to fight him and then escape instead of choosing escape as his first option?



Because Goku's plan INSIDE BUU still called for him fighting Buu, Vegeta knew that he was NEVER going to get a turn fighting Kid Buu, he states this.

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I forgot the scene where Vegeta was raring to go against Evil Boo, could ya remind me where it happened again?


Then why are you arguing about it?

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Are you forgetting that Pure Boo blew up the Earth pretty much the moment he formed? It would mean the destruction of the Earth if he came back because that's how he operates; he's so unpredictable, while other fighters would rather have an actual fight and wouldn't be willing to blow up the planet the second they got there. Could you provide that statement. No point in sayin' that a character outright states something if there isn't a supporting statement to go with it.


All Buu's tried to destroy the world, but Buu didn't try to destroy the Kaioshin planet he fought on either. But let's just be clear about something here: Goku specifically says the WORST CASE SCENARIO WITH BUU IS ANOTHER FIGHT>

Again, if you don't know what is stated, why are you arguing with me about it?

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It really does. You're just adamant about Goku being stronger than Gohan. The statement still works if your view isn't the correct one.

It doesn't or you would have been able to prove it without posting the same. panel. every. time.
You would be able to find ONE statement that says so.

I have one - 'YOU are number #1'

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Chapter: 12, P2.4
Gyuumao: “Your grampa was Lord Muten Roshi’s #1 disciple, and I was #2! Man, that takes me back!”


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Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P3.1-2
Vegeta: “Hmph…Seems Babidi is really panicking, if you, his #1 man are already making your appearance…”
Dabra: “Hmph…Let’s end the pointless blather there and have all of you come at me, at once.”


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Chapter: 33, P12.1
Fat Oorin Temple guy: “Hehhehheh! Still, [Kuririn] ain’t any real opponent for Oorin Temple’s #1 to fight.”
Goku: “That guy isn’t anything special. You can take him down in one shot.”


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Chapter: 405 (DBZ 211), P12.1
Piccolo: “Don’t forget…! Even if his power is #1, he’s still a kid…!”


It's always meant strongest from WAAAYYYYY back in Dragonball - Vegeta also says it again in Supe CONFIRMING GOKU IS THE STRONGEST!!!!!!!
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"I am the bone of my sword."

And yet Goku still wants to fuse forever with Mr. Satan to defeat Gohan Boo.

Shocking how your argument falls flat just from that one point.
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Jun 19 2016, 08:51 PM
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Jun 19 2016, 08:37 PM
Goku was willing to fight Evil Boo in the same way that Vegeta was willing to fight Pure Boo; they didn't want to, but they were forced to. You say it isn't relevant, but if Goku was stronger than Evil Boo, why wouldn't he choose to fight him and then escape instead of choosing escape as his first option?



Because Goku's plan INSIDE BUU still called for him fighting Buu, Vegeta knew that he was NEVER going to get a turn fighting Kid Buu, he states this.

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I forgot the scene where Vegeta was raring to go against Evil Boo, could ya remind me where it happened again?


Then why are you arguing about it?

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Are you forgetting that Pure Boo blew up the Earth pretty much the moment he formed? It would mean the destruction of the Earth if he came back because that's how he operates; he's so unpredictable, while other fighters would rather have an actual fight and wouldn't be willing to blow up the planet the second they got there. Could you provide that statement. No point in sayin' that a character outright states something if there isn't a supporting statement to go with it.


All Buu's tried to destroy the world, but Buu didn't try to destroy the Kaioshin planet he fought on either. But let's just be clear about something here: Goku specifically says the WORST CASE SCENARIO WITH BUU IS ANOTHER FIGHT>

Again, if you don't know what is stated, why are you arguing with me about it?

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It really does. You're just adamant about Goku being stronger than Gohan. The statement still works if your view isn't the correct one.

It doesn't or you would have been able to prove it without posting the same. panel. every. time.
You would be able to find ONE statement that says so.

I have one - 'YOU are number #1'

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Chapter: 12, P2.4
Gyuumao: “Your grampa was Lord Muten Roshi’s #1 disciple, and I was #2! Man, that takes me back!”


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Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P3.1-2
Vegeta: “Hmph…Seems Babidi is really panicking, if you, his #1 man are already making your appearance…”
Dabra: “Hmph…Let’s end the pointless blather there and have all of you come at me, at once.”


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Chapter: 33, P12.1
Fat Oorin Temple guy: “Hehhehheh! Still, [Kuririn] ain’t any real opponent for Oorin Temple’s #1 to fight.”
Goku: “That guy isn’t anything special. You can take him down in one shot.”


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Chapter: 405 (DBZ 211), P12.1
Piccolo: “Don’t forget…! Even if his power is #1, he’s still a kid…!”


It's always meant strongest from WAAAYYYYY back in Dragonball - Vegeta also says it again in Supe CONFIRMING GOKU IS THE STRONGEST!!!!!!!
Did you really just like you own comment? The narcissism is out of control with this one.
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Jun 19 2016, 08:05 PM
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These contradict the manga.

Why don't you expand on that? It's very convenient when you provide this so-called 'hard evidence' and then state your hypothesis matter-of-factly and expect everyone to bend to your will because you spoke with a confident tone. Go back to school, chump.
i dont have to expand on anything brah yo be 2 slow m8
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Jun 19 2016, 08:53 PM
And yet Goku still wants to fuse forever with Mr. Satan to defeat Gohan Boo.

Shocking how your argument falls flat just from that one point.
What does this even mean?

Look man, you're way too invested in this lie you've created.

You and I BOTH know you're wrong, so something keeping you going. Pride? Anger? Fear? But your arguments are becoming incoherent, and you continually ask the SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER and keep getting the SAME ANSWER OVER AND OVER.

The facts WILL NOT CHANGE, Super has set this in stone for ALL eternity.

Is Evil Buu Gotenks absorbed stronger than Goku? YES. I pointed this out literally IN THIS VERY THREAD - TODAY. Why are you asking me about it? And once more, what does this have to do with the LAST fight of the story where Goku is outright called the STRONGEST?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

What does it mean? Are you that dense kid? Seriously?

It means Goku can't beat Boo. He can't beat Super Boo, he can't beat Gotenks Boo and he cant' beat Gohan Boo. It means the only options he has, options he himself has directly stated as the only way, to defeat Boo is through fusion. it means he's so desperate to defeat Boo, he's willing to fuse forever with Mr. Satan despite the fact that if the fusion goes wrong, not only will he be stuck forever with Satan, but he might even get weaker as a result.

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Jun 19 2016, 09:03 PM
What does it mean? Are you that dense kid? Seriously?

It means Goku can't beat Boo. He can't beat Super Boo, he can't beat Gotenks Boo and he cant' beat Gohan Boo. It means the only options he has, options he himself has directly stated as the only way, to defeat Boo is through fusion. it means he's so desperate to defeat Boo, he's willing to fuse forever with Mr. Satan despite the fact that if the fusion goes wrong, not only will he be stuck forever with Satan, but he might even get weaker as a result.

But Goku CAN beat Evil Buu, he's the strongest in the universe.
Him not being able to beat Evil Buu Gohan/Gotenks absorbed has no bearing on this.
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Jun 19 2016, 09:06 PM
EMIYA
Jun 19 2016, 09:03 PM
What does it mean? Are you that dense kid? Seriously?

It means Goku can't beat Boo. He can't beat Super Boo, he can't beat Gotenks Boo and he cant' beat Gohan Boo. It means the only options he has, options he himself has directly stated as the only way, to defeat Boo is through fusion. it means he's so desperate to defeat Boo, he's willing to fuse forever with Mr. Satan despite the fact that if the fusion goes wrong, not only will he be stuck forever with Satan, but he might even get weaker as a result.

But Goku CAN beat Evil Buu, he's the strongest in the universe.
It's borderline comical at this point.

For the 4th time, where do you place SSJ2 Vegeta in relation to Super Boo, Gohan, and SSJ3 Gotenks? You'd think you're allergic to Vegeta-related questions.
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