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Why was Goku so confident?
Topic Started: Jun 16 2016, 03:43 PM (7,602 Views)
Saberoph Jun 18 2016, 06:50 PM Post #76
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 Look kidbuu we're not doing this just to pick on you (at least I'm not). I personally don't have anything against you, but it's your attitude and the fact that you're purposely ignoring and dismissing anything and everything that proves you wrong. When I first started posting in forums 12 years ago, I was exactly like you and it got to the point where I either kept going and would've gotten banned or have to change and actually accept when I'm wrong.

You're a smart person and I don't want things to come to that, but you've been suspended once already, staff doesn't do that for no reason.
Batman Arkham Games Discussion.
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Q&A With Me.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8408853/1/
Dragon Ball Game Talk.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8410747/1/
Dragon Ball Game Talk 2.0
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8543860/1/
My Broli Idea.
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8716209&t=8374201
Dragon Ball Paramountcy.
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Notaka Jun 18 2016, 06:55 PM Post #77
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 Off topic, but I really can't help but feel you were hostile to him.

Jeez guys, I know he's rude and wrong, but you were just too brutal with him.
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+ Emmeth Jun 18 2016, 06:56 PM Post #78
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Notaka
Jun 18 2016, 06:55 PM
Off topic, but I really can't help but feel you were hostile to him.

Jeez guys, I know he's rude and wrong, but you were just too brutal with him.
It's what he gets for his attitude.

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Notaka Jun 18 2016, 06:59 PM Post #79
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 Like I said, he's rude but come on.
Not taking you seriously ? That's harsh.
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+ Emmeth Jun 18 2016, 07:06 PM Post #80
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Notaka
Jun 18 2016, 06:59 PM
Like I said, he's rude but come on.
Not taking you seriously ? That's harsh.
If you had seen him previous to this thread you'd probably be agreeing more with us.

I mean, fair enough, I'm not gonna deny we've been hard on him, but he's like a broken record when it comes to this subject and he always brings it up even if it's not entirely on-topic. This thread should probably have been closed ages ago tbh.
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Notaka Jun 18 2016, 07:07 PM Post #81
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 I get what you mean.
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Saberoph Jun 18 2016, 07:20 PM Post #82
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Notaka
Jun 18 2016, 06:55 PM
Off topic, but I really can't help but feel you were hostile to him.

Jeez guys, I know he's rude and wrong, but you were just too brutal with him.
He started all of this and was the one to initiate the hostility and tried baiting everyone into flaming him. Also, he hadn't learned his lesson because as soon as his suspension was lifted he picked up where he left off.
Batman Arkham Games Discussion.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8487015/1/
Q&A With Me.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8408853/1/
Dragon Ball Game Talk.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8410747/1/
Dragon Ball Game Talk 2.0
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8543860/1/
My Broli Idea.
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8716209&t=8374201
Dragon Ball Paramountcy.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8561069/1/

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EMIYA Jun 18 2016, 08:35 PM Post #83
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 We've been through this with him. This isn't the first topic we've had to deal with him and unfortunately it may not even be the last. But this is something he set up himself and did so purposely, It's that's refusal to to accept when he's wrong even though we've basically plastered the facts right on here multiple times, combined with the holier than thou attitude and even lying at points, makes me have no respect. It's that cherry picking of the series to help his own case but gladly ignoring the others even when its brought up multiple times.

It's very clear to me that this guy only wants to bring up what fits his agenda and as usual, the moment he gets unbanned he starts the same thing. It wasn't here either, This started in other topics as well. Almost any time Goku or Kid Boo (mostly the former) got brought up, it somehow ended with "Goku is the strongest" and no matter how many legitimate sources we'd bring, they'd be ignored completely.

It's exactly likely trying to debate a fundamentalist. It doesn't matter what you bring, it doesn't matter if you bring them straight physical evidence. As long as it doesn't fit their agenda, they don't care and they'll gladly lie, twist and be hypocritical to get what they want.
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breaker335 Jun 18 2016, 08:44 PM Post #84
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 Lol, was he like this when Goku lost to Beerus?
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Event Horizon Jun 19 2016, 04:12 PM Post #85
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Jun 17 2016, 04:35 PM
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These contradict the manga.

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KidBuu55 Jun 19 2016, 07:36 PM Post #86
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I'm back, so I'll be happy to answer all of these in there entirety and show how absurd a lot of these statements and accusations are.

Mr. Hashbrowns
Jun 18 2016, 03:57 PM
So wait. SSJ3 Goku is so much stronger than Gohan that he's the only one that can beat Kid Boo, but so much weaker than Bootenks/Boohan to the point of willingly accepting to fuse with Mr. Satan?


Everyone BUT Vegetto is weaker than EVIL BUU - Gohan/Gotenks absorbed. The Elder Kaioshin points this out to Goku before he runs off to face him, and I have pointed this out myself.

Nagito Komaeda
Jun 18 2016, 03:59 PM


Conveniently forgetting that Goku's attack does nothing. If he was prepping to actually fight Boo for real, why didn't he transform into a SSJ3?

He was willing to charge in against Bootenks because his son was about to die. You can't argue that he's stronger than Bootenks, so I don't even know why you brought that up. To say that he's willing to go up against someone who's much stronger than him? If anything, that goes against your argument.


Goku and Vegeta are surely prepping for a fight with Buu, the panel clearly shows them powering up as he appears in his body. Beyond that, Goku was ready to blow a hole out of Buu's body and escape, when that wasn't an option he declared that he would have to defeat Buu from the inside. This is a statement and a scenario that ACTUALLY HAPPENED, so YES Goku was willing to fight Evil Buu.

Nagito Komaeda
Jun 18 2016, 03:59 PM
Goku runs away because Boo starts charging an attack that was gonna destroy the planet. It would take up too much Ki to try and counter it and it would leave him in an undesirable position once the fight actually started.

Vegeta, the SSJ2-tier fighter, can't fight Pure Boo? What's the issue?


Goku ran away because he couldn't stop Buu's attack, but the rest of the post is made up - He doesn't mention it would use too much Ki or anything of the sort. You're asking why Vegeta, a SSJ2 tier fighter was mentioned? Because he was more than willing to fight Fat and Evil Buu, but admits inferiority to Kid Buu.


breaker335
Jun 18 2016, 04:11 PM
Hold up, let's rewind a bit, did KidBuu just say Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, when that's not even remotely true?


It's absolutely true.

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Jun 18 2016, 04:20 PM
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I have never argued this. Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, as Evil Majin Buu - Gohan/Gotenks absorbed isn't a 'true' form of Buu (as evidenced that he is still called 'Majin Buu Evil')


You blatant liar!

Like, oh my goodness, you blatant, self serving liar. This is exactly what you argued. You've been going on all about how "Kid Boo" is the strongest Boo, is the strongest and toughest Boo of all. Trying to use some bulls*** from the anime, or some bulls*** interview which Clearin already corrected you on earlier. And now you're going to claim Gotenks Boo or Gohan Boo aren't true forms of Boo?

True form of Boo? There is no true form of Boo. But hey let's take that argument and throw it right at you. Fat Boo is still composed of multiple people, just as Super Boo is, just as Gotenks Boo, Gohan Boo and Buff Boo. And you know what's funny about Buff Boo? He is stronger than Kid Boo and you can't argue against that, not without BSing of course. So according to you, the only "true" Boo was Kid Boo...and now your entire argument, not that you ever had one, has failed.

And you resort to this lie. My goodness, what a sickening sight indeed.


I went back as far as I could to find these, I'll accept that apology now.
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KidBuu55 Jun 19 2016, 07:43 PM Post #87
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Emmeth
Jun 18 2016, 04:31 PM
So he agrees with us now, eh? Well, way to throw your arguments down the toilet. :w00t:


I never claimed that Kid Buu was stronger than Evil Buu X absorbed ever. I already posted a screenshot of my first few posts on this site actually stating such.

Saberoph
Jun 18 2016, 04:34 PM
Well, when all evidence against him is so overwhelming he doesn't have any other way out.

Besides...I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.


Post it again, because it could have been one of two possibilities:

I actually missed it (possible)
I purposely ignored it because I don't feel it added anything to the discussion/I answered it before.

Nagito Komaeda
Jun 18 2016, 04:37 PM
Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P11.1
Boo: “…What do you think, Gohan? My strategy succeeded safely. Look, isn’t it magnificent? This is a moment that will never appear again, no matter what the future may hold: the birth of the strongest majin.”

Bootenks is aware that Pure Boo exists and is a potential form of himself, so he must've been lying here, right?


His name is Evil Buu - Gotenks absored and he's not a 'new form of Buu'

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* Yu Narukami Jun 19 2016, 07:48 PM Post #88
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Izanagi!

 If he's strong enough to fight Boo from the inside, why would he try blowing a whole in Boo and escaping in the first place? Why not just defeat him and then take it from there?

Vegeta was willing to fight Evil Boo? Where? And I have no idea why you're bringing up Fat Boo, he's entirely irrelevant power-wise and he still tooled Vegeta.

It is a new form. Why would he say it's the birth of the 'strongest Majin' as if it's a different form when it's exactly the same as before?
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breaker335 Jun 19 2016, 07:49 PM Post #89
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 Where is it shown that Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu? I want to see lines from the manga, no anime. And please don't post any bull like Old Kai said he was the most dangerous. Dangerous =/= strongest.
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KidBuu55 Jun 19 2016, 07:54 PM Post #90
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Emmeth
Jun 18 2016, 04:39 PM
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”

Was he referring to Goku all along? :rofl:


Feeling a strong power =/= stronger than Goku.
Remember, for as supposedly powerful Gohan and Gotenks are compared to Goku, they actually mistake Gohan's HUGE power for Goku.

Saberoph
Jun 18 2016, 04:46 PM
I guess so, even though he was talking to Gohan about his power.

See above.

Albus Dumbledore
Jun 18 2016, 05:47 PM
All forms of media are equal it's just some forms are more equal .....


Not according to Toriyama.

Nagito Komaeda
Jun 18 2016, 05:50 PM
The Anime and Manga are two separate things. You can't mix and match because the Anime constantly contradicts the Manga.

They aren't, they are BOTH Dragonball to Toriyama. I don't remember which thread I posted it in, but the anime episodes were released WELL in advance of the manga, there is NO WAY they could have known what was supposed to happen and statements that were going to be said without Toriyama himself directing them.

Saberoph
Jun 18 2016, 05:53 PM
It also constantly contradicts itself all the time too.

All of Dragonball does, but the anime is absolutely SPOT ON when it comes to power comparisons.

Emmeth
Jun 18 2016, 06:00 PM
Using and combining statements from manga and anime makes your arguments invalid. If you can't see that, there's no reason to continue this debate. In that case you are 100% wrong every time.

Additionally, anything contradicting Toriyama says after the manga is contradicted by the manga. If Toriyama says Pure Boo was the strongest Boo, he contradicts the manga and makes it invalid. In that case the manga is completely pointless.


It doesn't make my argument invalid, I don't have to play by what YOU think is a valid source. The only reason you want to separate the two is because you continually get proven wrong in every exchange we have, become passive-aggressive in your responses and run away - only to return later when you see other people trying to pile on.

You don't want to 'debate' me, and that's fine. I don't think there is much more that you can present to me that I haven't already heard (which really just consist of you repeating the same line over and over)

And NO, Toriyama isn't 'contradicting' his work, he's telling you what he MEANT his work to say, so you can better understand it. I understand his work perfectly, as did his staff, as did his editors and the interviewers. What EVERYONE who worked on Dragonball is wrong on what they attempted to portray?


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