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| KidBuu55 | Jun 18 2016, 06:00 AM Post #46 |
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Actually he said the the MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER is the smallest, and provided examples of Frieza's final form and Buu's final form and Kid Goku back in Dragonball. Toriyama didn't disagree, and went on to explain why that was the reason. Nothing in that statement supports your opinion, nothing in there states 'Most dangerous, but not strongest' In fact, the interviewe actually uses the words 'MOST POWERFUL' and specifically mentioned Majin Buu's final form. Confirmed.
Toriyama is a grown man, and nothing says he can't correct someone if he needed too. I could pour through his interviews to find the instance where he corrected someone, but you'd probably ignore that too. Anyhow, nothing to debate here because Toriyama didn't disagree with the example the interviewer gave.
He didn't answer me, but you can try...I guess. But Super doesn't contridict anything in Dragonball Z. It's Toriyama's story, he can change it as he sees fit.
Well, they mean quite a lot, because Toriyama himself praised them as a valid reasource. Sorry you want to ignore it because it absolutely DESTORYS your arguement. Next week, you'll be arguing how the SSJ multipliers made 20 years after the manga ended by some other company, are valid. Oh, and Daizenshuu 2 actually states that Gohan couldn't gain power from his rage in SSJ2 in that entry about Gohan's SSJ powers - that same statement was made while Gohan was actually fighting Dabura as a SSJ2. Do'h
According to what I Toriyama said, they are both Dragonball. He makes no distinction between them.
Already corrected this.
They are people who worked on Dragonball directly and know Toriyama AND his work better than any of us, who are you to doubt their intergrity? Especially when you've shown willingness to ignore and disregard anything that doesn't agree with your obviously incorrect (according to those same sources) understanding of the story? |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 18 2016, 06:18 AM Post #47 |
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alright mr. war reduction forget everything and answer me this why did goku have his tail between his legs and run at the thought of fighting super buu and not kid buu? and dont give me some guidebook answer which is after the fact, use something from the manga. goku admits on at least two separate occasions that he isnt as strong as gohan let alone gotenks too goku is chilling with the kais while gotenks or gohan fight super buu why? he fights fat buu and kid buu but why not super ? its almost as if hes too weak too fight him..... like the many quotes that proceed this post have shown you...... |
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| breaker335 | Jun 18 2016, 06:49 AM Post #48 |
 
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You do realize he said that because Goku was the only one in the vicinity capable of keeping up with him right? Everyone else was stuck back on Earth. I'd also like to ask, where the hell did Goku get the sudden strength boost that he's suddenly stronger than Ultimate Gohan who was, for the longest time, the strongest unfused character in DBZ? Edited by breaker335, Jun 18 2016, 07:02 AM.
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| KidBuu55 | Jun 18 2016, 09:07 AM Post #49 |
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Uh huh...
I guess you didn't read the manga....? Goku's comments about fighting Evil Buu - Spoiler: click to toggle Goku on fighting Kid Buu: Spoiler: click to toggle Clearly establishes that Goku was willing to fight Evil Buu, and was literally RUNNING away from Kid Buu. Hell, EVEN VEGETA would have fought Evil Buu, but states that he's absolutely no match for Kid Buu.
That never happens. Ever. In fact, Gotenks was only said to be "the strongest person Buu has faced" when he achieved his SSJ3 form. Gohan was mistaken for Goku when he arrives on Earth. Buu chooses to absorb the weaker fighter (stated by himself) and choose to absorb Gohan over Goku* Goku wanted to FUSE with Gohan, even though both fighters have to be similar in power Goku was said to not be able to face Buu, even if Gohan assisted him* Goku was stated to be able to beat Buu, but said that if he had failed HE and everyone else would kill Buu. It's also stated that if Buu returned to fight, it could be the end of the world. * (I went over this 2 pages back I believe)
Because he's dead and not allowed on the living plane of existence.
Both Goku and ESPECIALLY Vegeta were willing to fight Evil Buu.
Who?
According to those statements (and others you didn't repost from me) Goku was the only one capable of fighting this Buu PERIOD.
And...? Kaioshin can teleport. Goku even thought Vegeta was going to have 2 guys (Gohan and Gotenks) do what he was doing - by himself. So obviously it's not out of the question to bring people to them, but it wouldn't have made a difference.
Who told you that? You should not allow people to lie to you, because Goku is clearly the strongest. I posted the manga panel from Vegeta stating such, the anime actually has an episode titled such, and Dragonball Super literally states it again on the second episode. Edited by KidBuu55, Jun 18 2016, 09:12 AM.
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| Saberoph | Jun 18 2016, 01:10 PM Post #50 |
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Goku was so confident because as others have pointed out the fusion of Gotenks wore off and he knew Gohan could take Boo now...since you know he completely owned Super Boo earlier. Also, Goku directly tells Vegeta inside Super Boo that if they face him now he's going to kill them, so they need fusion to fight. Heck, Goku even yells at Vegeta for crushing his Potara saying they could have fused again. Which of course is being ignored and dismissed. kidbuu: the problem people have with you is you come in here with your opinion set in stone, acting like it's completely superior to everyone else's and when you're proved wrong you either completely ignore, dismiss or downplay it or you take the conversation in a different direction to completely avoid it. It's very hypocritical of you to say I need to adjust my attitude when yours is worse and you're like this in every Thread you post in. Now I challenge you to answer me on this. No excuses, no ignoring, no downplaying or dismissing, no redirecting the conversation. If Goku was superior to Super Boo, then why did he tell Vegeta they're inferior to Boo and they need Fusion to beat him? |
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| + Clearin | Jun 18 2016, 02:24 PM Post #51 |
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Wait a second... KidBuu is arguing that Kid Boo is stronger than Boohan, and thus Goku is too by default, right? If that's the case why did Elder Kaioshin say Goku couldn't beat Bootenks even with Gohan's help? |
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| Slifer | Jun 18 2016, 02:44 PM Post #52 |
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I think his chain goes something like: SSJ3 Goku full power ~ Kid Boo > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Boo > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks > Base Gotenks post-RoSaT > SSJ Gotenks pre-RoSaT >= SSJ3 Goku @ Fat Boo. So basically Goku was using like .1% of his power against Fat Boo. Base Gotenks pre-RoSaT (nevermind post) is obviously leagues above Base Goku, the latter of which is below Freeza according to him, yet SSJ3 Goku ends up stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. Good luck making sense out of that. |
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| EMIYA | Jun 18 2016, 03:11 PM Post #53 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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Goku didn't want to fight any form of Super Boo or above. When Super Boo, Gotenks boo and Gohan Boo came up, he freaked out and tried to do fusion at soon as he could. He was so desperate he was willing to fuse with Mr. Satan even at the risk of it screwing up because his options against Boo had just run out. The son of a b*** literally tells Vegeta to his face, multiple times and is told to his own face...multiple times...that without fusion, they don't stance a chance. This is nothing more than trolling now. |
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| KidBuu55 | Jun 18 2016, 03:51 PM Post #54 |
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I have never argued this. Kid Buu is the strongest of the Buus, as Evil Majin Buu - Gohan/Gotenks absorbed isn't a 'true' form of Buu (as evidenced that he is still called 'Majin Buu Evil') Beyond that, the statements being made that 'Goku wouldn't fight Evil Buu etc' are outright false. I posted a direct quote from Goku challenging Evil Buu, there is also Vegeta's willingness to fight him. Goku was also willing to run off into battle against Evil Buu Gotenks absorbed, until Elder Kaioshin stopped him. Kid Buu is completely different though, Goku runs from the fight for the first time ever and STAYS hidden until Buu finds him. After all of this, even Vegeta states he can't fight 'this Buu' |
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| Slifer | Jun 18 2016, 03:57 PM Post #55 |
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So wait. SSJ3 Goku is so much stronger than Gohan that he's the only one that can beat Kid Boo, but so much weaker than Bootenks/Boohan to the point of willingly accepting to fuse with Mr. Satan? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jun 18 2016, 03:59 PM Post #56 |
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Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P12.4-5 Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!” Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!” Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!” Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P2.4-5 Context: after evil Boo appears inside his own body Vegeta: “Da…damn it…! Th-this could be bad…” Goku: “Di-didn’t I tell your to wear your Potara?! Th-this is why! If we could just go outside and merge, then this kind of guy would be an easy victory!” Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6 Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?” Boo: “It’s no use.” Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.” *Goku blasts, not much happens* Goku: “…” Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…” Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.” Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.” Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…” Conveniently forgetting that Goku's attack does nothing. If he was prepping to actually fight Boo for real, why didn't he transform into a SSJ3? He was willing to charge in against Bootenks because his son was about to die. You can't argue that he's stronger than Bootenks, so I don't even know why you brought that up. To say that he's willing to go up against someone who's much stronger than him? If anything, that goes against your argument. Goku runs away because Boo starts charging an attack that was gonna destroy the planet. It would take up too much Ki to try and counter it and it would leave him in an undesirable position once the fight actually started. Vegeta, the SSJ2-tier fighter, can't fight Pure Boo? What's the issue? |
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| Slifer | Jun 18 2016, 04:10 PM Post #57 |
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Also KidBuu55, where do you have SSJ2 Vegeta in all of this? Where does he rank in comparison to Gohan, Gotenks, and Super Boo? |
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| breaker335 | Jun 18 2016, 04:11 PM Post #58 |
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Hold up, let's rewind a bit, did KidBuu just say Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, when that's not even remotely true? |
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| EMIYA | Jun 18 2016, 04:20 PM Post #59 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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You blatant liar! Like, oh my goodness, you blatant, self serving liar. This is exactly what you argued. You've been going on all about how "Kid Boo" is the strongest Boo, is the strongest and toughest Boo of all. Trying to use some bulls*** from the anime, or some bulls*** interview which Clearin already corrected you on earlier. And now you're going to claim Gotenks Boo or Gohan Boo aren't true forms of Boo? True form of Boo? There is no true form of Boo. But hey let's take that argument and throw it right at you. Fat Boo is still composed of multiple people, just as Super Boo is, just as Gotenks Boo, Gohan Boo and Buff Boo. And you know what's funny about Buff Boo? He is stronger than Kid Boo and you can't argue against that, not without BSing of course. So according to you, the only "true" Boo was Kid Boo...and now your entire argument, not that you ever had one, has failed. And you resort to this lie. My goodness, what a sickening sight indeed. |
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| + Emmeth | Jun 18 2016, 04:31 PM Post #60 |
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So he agrees with us now, eh? Well, way to throw your arguments down the toilet. 
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