Why was Goku so confident?

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Why was Goku so confident?
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 16 2016, 03:43 PM (7,606 Views)
* Yu Narukami	Jun 17 2016, 12:58 PM Post #16
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 12:50 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 12:48 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 12:38 PM Clearin Jun 17 2016, 10:58 AM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 06:25 AM Pyrus Jun 16 2016, 04:43 PM Boo just wanted to be the absolute strongest. It was as good a time as any to absorb Gohan. This is wrong, he actually tells Gohan the opposite - implying that Gohan was stronger than Gotenks, and Goku stronger than Gohan. Boo did indeed tell Gohan that having power is pointless if there's no one to fight, but the difference is absorbing Gotenks would still have allowed Boo to beat Gohan. Absorbing Goku would not have allowed Boo to beat Gohan. Boo would rather have a bunch of power and no one to fight than die. Considering Goku was stronger than Gohan AND Gotenks, I don't know why he wouldn't have taken Goku. Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5 Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…” Note: presumably be saying that "the Fused squirts have returned to normal", Goku means that Gotenks has split back up into Goten and Trunks, not merely that Gotenks' reverted from Super Saiyan 3 to regular Gotenks. At the very least, Goten and Trunks are separate by the time Goku and Vegeta find them inside of Boo. ''I could defeat you easily right now, considering that I'm stronger than Gohan, but I'll leave beating you to Gohan.'' Goku's 'plan' to leave the protection of Earth to the next generation has already failed, so why doesn't he reveal his true power and just take Boo out now? It's obvious that Gohan has the power to, it's not like killing Boo himself is gonna awaken some kind of desire to protect the Earth. It's because it's Gohan's fight, and up until Kid Buu appears, Goku thinks it's someone else job to protect Earth. Nah, it was Gohan's fight before, and he let Gotenks and Piccolo get absorbed by Boo. Why Goku would leave the fate of the Earth in his hands is beyond me.



KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 01:14 PM Post #17
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 12:58 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 12:50 PM Nagito Komaeda Jun 17 2016, 12:48 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 12:38 PM Clearin Jun 17 2016, 10:58 AM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 06:25 AM Pyrus Jun 16 2016, 04:43 PM Boo just wanted to be the absolute strongest. It was as good a time as any to absorb Gohan. This is wrong, he actually tells Gohan the opposite - implying that Gohan was stronger than Gotenks, and Goku stronger than Gohan. Boo did indeed tell Gohan that having power is pointless if there's no one to fight, but the difference is absorbing Gotenks would still have allowed Boo to beat Gohan. Absorbing Goku would not have allowed Boo to beat Gohan. Boo would rather have a bunch of power and no one to fight than die. Considering Goku was stronger than Gohan AND Gotenks, I don't know why he wouldn't have taken Goku. Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5 Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…” Note: presumably be saying that "the Fused squirts have returned to normal", Goku means that Gotenks has split back up into Goten and Trunks, not merely that Gotenks' reverted from Super Saiyan 3 to regular Gotenks. At the very least, Goten and Trunks are separate by the time Goku and Vegeta find them inside of Boo. ''I could defeat you easily right now, considering that I'm stronger than Gohan, but I'll leave beating you to Gohan.'' Goku's 'plan' to leave the protection of Earth to the next generation has already failed, so why doesn't he reveal his true power and just take Boo out now? It's obvious that Gohan has the power to, it's not like killing Boo himself is gonna awaken some kind of desire to protect the Earth. It's because it's Gohan's fight, and up until Kid Buu appears, Goku thinks it's someone else job to protect Earth. Nah, it was Gohan's fight before, and he let Gotenks and Piccolo get absorbed by Boo. Why Goku would leave the fate of the Earth in his hands is beyond me. How is it Gohan's fault that he didn't know about absorption? Gohan was willing to let Gotenks finish his fight in the same way Goku was willing to let Gohan finish his.



+ Emmeth	Jun 17 2016, 01:27 PM Post #18
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I think it's universally accepted that Goku intended Gohan to fight. If Goku was stronger all along, why go through the trouble of introducing the fusion techniques and Elder Kai's power-up ritual? It doesn't make sense in-universe or even in an author's eyes way. There's way too many inconsistencies and contradictions for SSJ3 Goku > Super Boo to even work, much less SSJ3 Goku > Gohan-Boo.
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KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 01:32 PM Post #19
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Emmeth Jun 17 2016, 01:27 PM I think it's universally accepted that Goku intended Gohan to fight. If Goku was stronger all along, why go through the trouble of introducing the fusion techniques and Elder Kai's power-up ritual? It doesn't make sense in-universe or even in an author's eyes way. There's way too many inconsistencies and contradictions for SSJ3 Goku > Super Boo to even work, much less SSJ3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. We are told why: Goku states that he doesn't think it's his responsibility to save the Earth. The whole sage is based around a new generation needing to step up to the plate, but in the end it's Goku who has to save the planet. Goku literally states at the end of the story he could have finished Buu off when he first met him, but wanted the Kids to get a shot at it. (something he states 2 times previously) He was also dead when Gohan was receiving the Elder Kaioshin's ritual. And there is zero inconsistencies or contradictions on Goku > Everyone.



+ Emmeth	Jun 17 2016, 01:35 PM Post #20
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 01:32 PM Emmeth Jun 17 2016, 01:27 PM I think it's universally accepted that Goku intended Gohan to fight. If Goku was stronger all along, why go through the trouble of introducing the fusion techniques and Elder Kai's power-up ritual? It doesn't make sense in-universe or even in an author's eyes way. There's way too many inconsistencies and contradictions for SSJ3 Goku > Super Boo to even work, much less SSJ3 Goku > Gohan-Boo. We are told why: Goku states that he doesn't think it's his responsibility to save the Earth. The whole sage is based around a new generation needing to step up to the plate, but in the end it's Goku who has to save the planet. Goku literally states at the end of the story he could have finished Buu off when he first met him, but wanted the Kids to get a shot at it. (something he states 2 times previously) He was also dead when Gohan was receiving the Elder Kaioshin's ritual. And there is zero inconsistencies or contradictions on Goku > Everyone. That excuse doesn't hold up though. Like you just said; Goku thought he could beat Boo when he first met him. That's Fat Boo, not Super Boo, and we know that Boo grew much stronger after transforming to Super Boo. I think the thing Goku says when inside Super Boo is the only thing you need to know. It's never contradicted later on, Pure Boo is never said to be the strongest.
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Slifer	Jun 17 2016, 01:38 PM Post #21
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Quote: And there is zero inconsistencies or contradictions on Goku > Everyone. If you ignore Goku wanting no part of Super Boo without fusion, then moments later being perfectly okay with fighting Kid Boo alone to the point of crushing his earring so fusion isn't an option the sure.



+ Emmeth	Jun 17 2016, 01:43 PM Post #22
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	The bottom-line here is that you believe Goku > Everybody, which is fine. Believe whatever the hell you want, but don't impose the idea like it's the f***ing truth because it's not. Akira Toriyama has said that it's up to every single individual reader to believe what he wants regardless of it making sense or not. I, and 95% of the DB community, believe that Super Boo >>> Pure Boo and SSJ3 Goku. You'll have a very difficult time holding on to your story and not be ridiculed.
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+ Clearin	Jun 17 2016, 01:43 PM Post #23
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	The excuse that Goku wanted to leave it to someone else doesn't even make sense at that point in the story. Look at Goku's reasoning for not killing Boo: Goku: “No…I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…” "I'm no longer a human who's particularly even supposed to be here" "Some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right?" Goku's reason for not killing Boo is because as he was dead, he felt that Earth needed to have someone on it to protect it when he's gone. But this time Goku is alive again. He IS a human who is supposed to be there, and if another outragous guy shows up, Goku can take care of them too.



KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 03:57 PM Post #24
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Emmeth Jun 17 2016, 01:43 PM The bottom-line here is that you believe Goku > Everybody, which is fine. Believe whatever the hell you want, but don't impose the idea like it's the f*ing truth because it's not. Akira Toriyama has said that it's up to every single individual reader to believe what he wants regardless of it making sense or not. I, and 95% of the DB community, believe that Super Boo >>> Pure Boo and SSJ3 Goku. You'll have a very difficult time holding on to your story and not be ridiculed. You, and 95% of the DBZ community are wrong, and I guess that's ok if you want to live a lie. Kid Buu and Goku are the STRONGEST in Dragonball Z Says Toriyama in a recent interview: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Unrivalled/scan0004zh3.jpg~original Says the Daizenshuu, created by his staff with his input: http://web.archive.org/web/20111007094607/http://kanzentai.com/trans.php Daizenshuu 2 : "Goku's feelings are only understood by his fellow strongest." Daizenshuu 4: "Q: Out of all your characters, which one is the most cool? A: "I think it's Goku." The always pure strongest in the universe. Goku is #1 after all!" Daizenshuu 2: "Goku was the only one who could fight Buu." Daizenshuu 2: " He continues to always seek the strongest! Having gotten Buu to be reincarnated, Goku waited for him above all else." Daizenshuu 7: (Gohan's Bio outright calls him weaker than Goku): He potentially has wondrous power greater than Goku. Even with great evil gone from the world, he continues to punish the city's evildoers as a hero of justice. [adverb 1. possibly but not yet actually:] Says the Editor to BOG movie, Wantabe: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/03/27/scriptwriter-yusuke-watanabe-confirms-battle-of-gods-name-puns/ Says the second episode of DBS When you go against the author, his staff and all the media, you really don't have any basis for the position that you hold. So please go ahead and post that same panel over and over, I will continue to post the manga statements solidifying that NO ONE could beat Buu but Goku. Clearin Jun 17 2016, 01:43 PM The excuse that Goku wanted to leave it to someone else doesn't even make sense at that point in the story. Look at Goku's reasoning for not killing Boo: Goku: “No…I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…” "I'm no longer a human who's particularly even supposed to be here" "Some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right?" Goku's reason for not killing Boo is because as he was dead, he felt that Earth needed to have someone on it to protect it when he's gone. But this time Goku is alive again. He IS a human who is supposed to be there, and if another outragous guy shows up, Goku can take care of them too. Goku is EASILY on par with Gohan at his worst Quote: Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P5.5 Context: Elder Kaioshin warning Goku about recklessly going to rescue Gohan from Gotenks-absorbed Boo Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…” Goku is OBVIOUSLY** implied to be the strongest one here, he couldn't win EVEN IF Gohan helped him. And it's Gohan's fight, again much in the same way Gohan allowed Gotenks to finish his fight with Buu. Goku is actually upset at the thought that he doesn't get to face Buu: Quote: Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5 Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…” Besides, Piccolo's statement confirms that SSJ3 Gotenks was stronger than a holding back Goku Goten states that Gohan is stronger than Gotenks (and Buu confirms) Vegeta states that Goku is the STRONGEST Buu states that he doesn't want to absorb the strongest , he needs someone stronger (Goku) to beat up on. Goku states the fight between him and Buu is unfair because "he absorbed so many people" Nothing to it really.



breaker335	Jun 17 2016, 04:33 PM Post #25
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Wait people are for real with the Goku > Gohan? Lol. Yeah okay.



KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 04:35 PM Post #26
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	For more giggles:



+ Emmeth	Jun 17 2016, 05:42 PM Post #27
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Elder Kai says that because he's the one who's there, not because he's the strongest. You are twisting statements to fit your own agenda and ignoring the fact that Goku doesn't want to fight Super Boo when inside Boo's body. That's the only thing that SHOULD matter, but you are throwing it away because you believe something that's so contradicted it's almost ridiculous. I'll let you know I'm only debating you because I find it amusing, not because I take you seriously.
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KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 09:51 PM Post #28
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Emmeth Jun 17 2016, 05:42 PM Quote: Elder Kai says that because he's the one who's there, not because he's the strongest. I'm not twisting anything, because Elder Kaioshin isn't one to pull punches: Quote: Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P11.2-4 Context: right after Kaioshin and Kibito merge Kaioshin: “Oooh! Am-amazing! This is amazing power! Hahaah! [ ] Goku! I can fight too like this! I’ll go with you!” Elder Kaioshin: “Don’t get carried away! No matter how strong you’ve become, you were never anything special. I doubt you could fight Boo head-on; you’d just end up getting absorbed. So stay here.” Notice here, he tell Kaioshin that even after using Fusion, he is no match for Buu and would just get in the way, this unlike his statement to Goku. Quote: You are twisting statements to fit your own agenda and ignoring the fact that Goku doesn't want to fight Super Boo when inside Boo's body. That's the only thing that SHOULD matter, but you are throwing it away because you believe something that's so contradicted it's almost ridiculous. Well aware of the line, and well aware of how storytelling works. Up until Kid Buu shows up, the viewer is under the impression that Goku is no match for Buu in any form (though we are given hints this is a lie) it isn't until Kid Buu appears that Goku comes clean, and we viewers have COUNTLESS statements saying that ONLY Goku is powerful enough to beat Kid Buu. Quote: I'll let you know I'm only debating you because I find it amusing, not because I take you seriously. As with everything else posted in this thread, I'm not debating - I'm correcting you.



+ Emmeth	Jun 17 2016, 10:21 PM Post #29
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 09:51 PM As with everything else posted in this thread, I'm not debating - I'm correcting you. This is absolutely sickening.
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KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 10:29 PM Post #30
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Emmeth Jun 17 2016, 10:21 PM KidBuu55 Jun 17 2016, 09:51 PM As with everything else posted in this thread, I'm not debating - I'm correcting you. This is absolutely sickening. Respect is a two way street: Quote: I'll let you know I'm only debating you because I find it amusing, not because I take you seriously. So no, I don't consider this a debate. I provided you with many different sources, answered your questions, and humored your unwarranted insults enough.



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