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Why was Goku so confident?
Topic Started: Jun 16 2016, 03:43 PM (7,595 Views)
KidBuu55 Jun 19 2016, 11:33 PM Post #166
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Jun 19 2016, 11:29 PM
Fat Boo is Pure Boo plus two Kais, but he's a separate entity from Pure Boo. Evil Boo absorbs people and he's still the same person. Maybe more Kaioshin shenanigans?
Don't look at me, I didn't write it.

But according to the manga and guidebook, the Kaioshin don't react well with Buu. The Z fighters aren't even able to sense Kaioshin energy (Godly Ki)
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* Yu Narukami Jun 19 2016, 11:37 PM Post #167
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Izanagi!

 Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”

''Hey Vegeta, let's bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can get killed/absorbed again!''
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+ Emmeth Jun 19 2016, 11:39 PM Post #168
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Jun 19 2016, 11:32 PM
1. Again, be specific. I have yet to find any statement that makes me believe someone in this thread has proven me wrong.

2. I know I'm right.

3. Yeah, that's never said. At all. Like literally never said.

What is said is that GOKU is the ONLY ONE who can fight Buu. What is said is that Kid Buu's return could be the end of the world, so Goku and Vegeta need to train. What is said is that if Goku failed EVERYONE (which includes Gohan) would die.

And we all know Gohan is stronger than Evil Buu.



There is no such implication in that statement. Buu was previously the strongest and now it's proven that Goku is (which are statement made by Vegeta at the beginning of Super) and considering that Goku is a PART of Vegetto, I assume that you're not serious with that comment.
1. That's on you, not us. We've given plenty of evidence to show Super Boo > Pure Boo. Don't deny this.

2. ---

3. Why was this your response? It makes absolutely no sense at all.

Goku is the only one who can fight Boo because he's the strongest alive. We've countered with this countless times already. You can say that they could've brought Gohan when he was wished alive, but Vegeta already had a plan so it wasn't necessary.

You are admitting that Goku is stronger than Gotenks-Boo, Gohan-Boo and Vegetto then? And that you have lied about some or other thing?
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Copy_Ninja Jun 19 2016, 11:43 PM Post #169
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There are currently 15 reports for this topic, I'm on a tiny phone and frankly can't deal with that many reports myself right now. However, the last few posts have been civil enough so I'm going to trust you all enough to leave this open until another mod can check in.

Take this as a verbal warn to everyone though, any disrespectful posts after this one gets a 20% warn increase.
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Saberoph Jun 19 2016, 11:45 PM Post #170
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 Does this count for intentionally trolling too?

Please tell me it does.
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+ Clearin Jun 19 2016, 11:46 PM Post #171
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Jun 19 2016, 11:37 PM
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”

''Hey Vegeta, let's bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can get killed/absorbed again!''
If KidBuu has Bootenks > Kid Boo > Super Boo, then it's completely possible for Gohan and Gotenks to still be useful in a fight in that gap, especially together.

If anything, the fact Goku has to mention both of them instead of just Gohan adds weight to that... But by that point Goku is probably thinking of the safest possible solution what with his own frustration at not using the Potara to one shot Kid Boo.
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KidBuu55 Jun 19 2016, 11:46 PM Post #172
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Jun 19 2016, 11:37 PM
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”

''Hey Vegeta, let's bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can get killed/absorbed again!''


Yeah, that's not what he said. Previously Goku was said to be able to BEAT Buu. Vegetto was said to be able to BEAT Buu. Gohan AND Gotenks are said to be able to FIGHT Buu.

And again, considering YOU think that Gohan is 10000000 times stronger than Goku, why can't he win? Why does Gotenks (who is inferior to Gohan in EVERY WAY, including a time limit on his power) need to be brought with him? Because he's weaker. And that's why Vegeta and Goku dismiss the idea and never speak of it again.

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Jun 19 2016, 11:39 PM
KidBuu55
Jun 19 2016, 11:32 PM
1. Again, be specific. I have yet to find any statement that makes me believe someone in this thread has proven me wrong.

2. I know I'm right.

3. Yeah, that's never said. At all. Like literally never said.

What is said is that GOKU is the ONLY ONE who can fight Buu. What is said is that Kid Buu's return could be the end of the world, so Goku and Vegeta need to train. What is said is that if Goku failed EVERYONE (which includes Gohan) would die.

And we all know Gohan is stronger than Evil Buu.



There is no such implication in that statement. Buu was previously the strongest and now it's proven that Goku is (which are statement made by Vegeta at the beginning of Super) and considering that Goku is a PART of Vegetto, I assume that you're not serious with that comment.
1. That's on you, not us. We've given plenty of evidence to show Super Boo > Pure Boo. Don't deny this.

2. ---

3. Why was this your response? It makes absolutely no sense at all.

Goku is the only one who can fight Boo because he's the strongest alive. We've countered with this countless times already. You can say that they could've brought Gohan when he was wished alive, but Vegeta already had a plan so it wasn't necessary.

You are admitting that Goku is stronger than Gotenks-Boo, Gohan-Boo and Vegetto then? And that you have lied about some or other thing?


1. You haven't given me anything. You keep posting the SAME panel on every page that was already superseded by new information.

2.

3. Goku is stronger than Gohan and Gotenks and this is repeated by Vegeta in Dragonball Super. so we know it's true.
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KidBuu55 Jun 19 2016, 11:47 PM Post #173
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Jun 19 2016, 11:46 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Jun 19 2016, 11:37 PM
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”

''Hey Vegeta, let's bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can get killed/absorbed again!''
If KidBuu has Bootenks > Kid Boo > Super Boo, then it's completely possible for Gohan and Gotenks to still be useful in a fight in that gap, especially together.

If anything, the fact Goku has to mention both of them instead of just Gohan adds weight to that... But by that point Goku is probably thinking of the safest possible solution what with his own frustration at not using the Potara to one shot Kid Boo.
I do, and I've stated that at least 2 times in this thread already.
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Saberoph Jun 19 2016, 11:51 PM Post #174
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 But the problem is that Goku wanted nothing to do with Super Boo, and told Vegeta they cannot win without Fusion, so Chibi Boo can't be stronger since Goku could fight him.

You would have to flat out ignore Goku's comments inside Super Boo, then ignore the look on his face when Bootenks charges him and ignore Goku being so desperate to fuse with just about anyone.
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+ Emmeth Jun 19 2016, 11:51 PM Post #175
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Jun 19 2016, 11:46 PM
1. You haven't given me anything. You keep posting the SAME panel on every page that was already superseded by new information.

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3. Goku is stronger than Gohan and Gotenks and this is repeated by Vegeta in Dragonball Super. so we know it's true.
You're the exact same though, repeating the same things we have countered times and times again.

The fact is that Super is a series that was released 15-20 years after Z ended. That argument doesn't hold ground in the slightest.
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+ Clearin Jun 19 2016, 11:54 PM Post #176
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Jun 19 2016, 11:51 PM
then ignore the look on his face when Bootenks charges him and ignore Goku being so desperate to fuse with just about anyone.
He's already said that he doesn't think Goku is stronger than Bootenks.

I don't even agree with him, but I think it's only fair to point this out because any argument about Goku being weaker than Bootenks is pretty much useless in this thread since he already believes that.
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EMIYA Jun 19 2016, 11:55 PM Post #177
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Clearin
Jun 19 2016, 11:46 PM
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Jun 19 2016, 11:37 PM
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P7.4
Context: after Vegeta has the Earth brought back with the dragonballs
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”

''Hey Vegeta, let's bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can get killed/absorbed again!''
If KidBuu has Bootenks > Kid Boo > Super Boo, then it's completely possible for Gohan and Gotenks to still be useful in a fight in that gap, especially together.

If anything, the fact Goku has to mention both of them instead of just Gohan adds weight to that... But by that point Goku is probably thinking of the safest possible solution what with his own frustration at not using the Potara to one shot Kid Boo.
The problem with that though is he doesn't. He's saying that Kid Boo>Gohan Boo. He even specifically uses the anime line where Goku says that Kid Boo is on a whole different level from all the other Boo's they've faced so far.

At this point, his list is...

"Kid Boo>Gohan Boo>Gotenks Boo>Super Boo and considering the line used, Kid Boo's got a good gap over even Gohan Boo. It makes the act of trying to bring in a guy who was significantly weaker than Gotenks Boo, seem quite insane to do anything against a guy notably stronger than Gohan Boo.
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Professor Gohan Jun 19 2016, 11:56 PM Post #178
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