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Why was Goku so confident?
Topic Started: Jun 16 2016, 03:43 PM (7,598 Views)
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Emmeth
Jun 19 2016, 10:39 PM
KidBuu55
Jun 19 2016, 07:54 PM
Emmeth
Jun 18 2016, 04:39 PM
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”


Was he referring to Goku all along? :rofl:


Feeling a strong power =/= stronger than Goku.
Remember, for as supposedly powerful Gohan and Gotenks are compared to Goku, they actually mistake Gohan's HUGE power for Goku.

Emmeth
Jun 18 2016, 06:00 PM
Using and combining statements from manga and anime makes your arguments invalid. If you can't see that, there's no reason to continue this debate. In that case you are 100% wrong every time.

Additionally, anything contradicting Toriyama says after the manga is contradicted by the manga. If Toriyama says Pure Boo was the strongest Boo, he contradicts the manga and makes it invalid. In that case the manga is completely pointless.


It doesn't make my argument invalid, I don't have to play by what YOU think is a valid source. The only reason you want to separate the two is because you continually get proven wrong in every exchange we have, become passive-aggressive in your responses and run away - only to return later when you see other people trying to pile on.

You don't want to 'debate' me, and that's fine. I don't think there is much more that you can present to me that I haven't already heard (which really just consist of you repeating the same line over and over)

And NO, Toriyama isn't 'contradicting' his work, he's telling you what he MEANT his work to say, so you can better understand it. I understand his work perfectly, as did his staff, as did his editors and the interviewers. What EVERYONE who worked on Dragonball is wrong on what they attempted to portray?


Okay, you can continue to use contradicting material to prove you point, but it makes you look like a f***ing idiot.

I can guarantee you that everybody except you will agree that I have NOT been proven wrong a single time during our exchanges. But that doesn't matter to you, because you are in so much denial that you would say we're all wrong.

By all means, continue to go against common sense because it's only making you look foolish, not us.
You haven't been proven right on anything. Just because other people agree with you, doesn't make you correct.

So please, show me SPECIFICALLY in our exchange were you think you have proven me wrong.


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http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9324529&t=8574576
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9324726&t=8574576

You mean all these exchanges

Oh and my favorite one:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9324791&t=8574576

I like the part where you admit that new statements override older statements, and then I used that SAME line of reasoning to prove you wrong YET AGAIN.
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I think we can all agree on how contradicting the anime is when it comes to who is the strongest Boo, but the manga is crystal clear on which Boo is the strongest through many statements. No matter how much you try to counter it, it won't work. You haven't provided us with a single contradicting statement and that's what the bottomline is. How you decide to deal with it is your prerogative, but you should deal with the consequences of your choice.
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So, which is it?

It doesn't really matter because which one you go with still proves you wrong and shows your bias.

Also, since you're gone back on your own arguments and straight up ignore or twist around statements that prove you wrong.
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I'll give him one thing, when Bootenks defused, Goku said he was disappointed. Wonder what that was about
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Jun 19 2016, 10:47 PM
Ghost Gohan wasn't in Kai...but you know what was?

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That.

Yeah, and Goku is now suddenly the strongest per the anime and manga

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http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/majin-buu/

Dragon Ball Kai Episode 152Air Date: 10 May 2015
頑張れカカロット!お前がNo.1だ!!
Ganbare Kakarotto! Omae ga Nanbā Wan da!!
Do Your Best, Kakarrot!
You Are No. 1!!

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KidBuu55
Jun 19 2016, 10:49 PM
Emmeth
Jun 19 2016, 10:39 PM
KidBuu55
Jun 19 2016, 07:54 PM
Emmeth
Jun 18 2016, 04:39 PM
Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”


Was he referring to Goku all along? :rofl:


Feeling a strong power =/= stronger than Goku.
Remember, for as supposedly powerful Gohan and Gotenks are compared to Goku, they actually mistake Gohan's HUGE power for Goku.

Emmeth
Jun 18 2016, 06:00 PM
Using and combining statements from manga and anime makes your arguments invalid. If you can't see that, there's no reason to continue this debate. In that case you are 100% wrong every time.

Additionally, anything contradicting Toriyama says after the manga is contradicted by the manga. If Toriyama says Pure Boo was the strongest Boo, he contradicts the manga and makes it invalid. In that case the manga is completely pointless.


It doesn't make my argument invalid, I don't have to play by what YOU think is a valid source. The only reason you want to separate the two is because you continually get proven wrong in every exchange we have, become passive-aggressive in your responses and run away - only to return later when you see other people trying to pile on.

You don't want to 'debate' me, and that's fine. I don't think there is much more that you can present to me that I haven't already heard (which really just consist of you repeating the same line over and over)

And NO, Toriyama isn't 'contradicting' his work, he's telling you what he MEANT his work to say, so you can better understand it. I understand his work perfectly, as did his staff, as did his editors and the interviewers. What EVERYONE who worked on Dragonball is wrong on what they attempted to portray?


Okay, you can continue to use contradicting material to prove you point, but it makes you look like a f***ing idiot.

I can guarantee you that everybody except you will agree that I have NOT been proven wrong a single time during our exchanges. But that doesn't matter to you, because you are in so much denial that you would say we're all wrong.

By all means, continue to go against common sense because it's only making you look foolish, not us.
You haven't been proven right on anything. Just because other people agree with you, doesn't make you correct.

So please, show me SPECIFICALLY in our exchange were you think you have proven me wrong.


http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9324468&t=8574576
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9324529&t=8574576
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9324726&t=8574576

You mean all these exchanges

Oh and my favorite one:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9324791&t=8574576

I like the part where you admit that new statements override older statements, and then I used that SAME line of reasoning to prove you wrong YET AGAIN.
I honestly don't care anymore. I'm not proven wrong in any of those posts of yours, what you see is an illusion created by you to maintain your story. Obviously it's impossible for us to prove you wrong because you won't see it. Any normal human being would concede or at least consider the possiblity that they were wrong, but not you. You continue to dig your own grave with the spade you provided yourself with.

Anyway, I see when I've lost an already losing battle. I am not giving in to your crazy theory, I am just giving up on YOU.
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Jun 19 2016, 10:54 PM
I'll give him one thing, when Bootenks defused, Goku said he was disappointed. Wonder what that was about
It kind of contradicts his clear expression of dread earlier when Gotenks-Boo is charging right at him.
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Guys, Pure Boo is stronger than Beerus. Of course, he'll beat Evil Boo.

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Jun 19 2016, 10:57 PM
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Jun 19 2016, 10:54 PM
I'll give him one thing, when Bootenks defused, Goku said he was disappointed. Wonder what that was about
It kind of contradicts his clear expression of dread earlier when Gotenks-Boo is charging right at him.
The boot's on the other foot. Bootenks taunted Goku and Gohan enough throughout the whole scene, so Goku was just getting some sweet payback the only way he could (as he was too weak to fight Boo himself).
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Jun 19 2016, 10:56 PM
EMIYA
Jun 19 2016, 10:47 PM
Ghost Gohan wasn't in Kai...but you know what was?

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That.

Yeah, and Goku is now suddenly the strongest per the anime and manga

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http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/majin-buu/

Dragon Ball Kai Episode 152Air Date: 10 May 2015
頑張れカカロット!お前がNo.1だ!!
Ganbare Kakarotto! Omae ga Nanbā Wan da!!
Do Your Best, Kakarrot!
You Are No. 1!!

So now you're saying Goku flat-out lied to Vegeta when he said they couldn't beat Super Boo without fusing?
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Jun 19 2016, 10:57 PM
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Jun 19 2016, 10:54 PM
I'll give him one thing, when Bootenks defused, Goku said he was disappointed. Wonder what that was about
It kind of contradicts his clear expression of dread earlier when Gotenks-Boo is charging right at him.
Goku doesn't actually have a face of dread when Boo is charging at him. He just looks at Gohan with an expression of slight annoyance.

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I don't think Goku is stronger or could beat Boo, but I also think this needs to be addressed.

Edit: Just saw the other panel where Goku is cowering with his hands in front of his face. Ignore me.
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Jun 19 2016, 10:52 PM
I think we can all agree on how contradicting the anime is when it comes to who is the strongest Boo, but the manga is crystal clear on which Boo is the strongest through many statements. No matter how much you try to counter it, it won't work. You haven't provided us with a single contradicting statement and that's what the bottomline is. How you decide to deal with it is your prerogative, but you should deal with the consequences of your choice.


I did. I provided you with Goku clearly stating that Buu would/could kill everyone. That Goku was so impressed by Buu's power that he wants to FIGHT HIM 10 years later.

That Goku is called the strongest in the universe.

All of that is in the manga.

Saberoph
Jun 19 2016, 10:53 PM
So, which is it?

It doesn't really matter because which one you go with still proves you wrong and shows your bias.

Also, since you're gone back on your own arguments and straight up ignore or twist around statements that prove you wrong.


My bias is towards the truth and nothing more. And with Super literally STATING GOKU IS THE STRONGEST, it cannot be debated.
Yes, Goku is the strongest in BOTH media and the explanation is literally the same - He has always been. Period.

Clearin
Jun 19 2016, 10:54 PM
I'll give him one thing, when Bootenks defused, Goku said he was disappointed. Wonder what that was about


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Jun 19 2016, 10:57 PM
Clearin
Jun 19 2016, 10:54 PM
I'll give him one thing, when Bootenks defused, Goku said he was disappointed. Wonder what that was about
It kind of contradicts his clear expression of dread earlier when Gotenks-Boo is charging right at him.
Goku doesn't actually have a face of dread when Boo is charging at him. He just looks at Gohan with an expression of slight annoyance.

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I don't think Goku is stronger or could beat Boo, but I also think this needs to be addressed.

Edit: Just saw the other panel where Goku is cowering with his hands in front of his face. Ignore me.
s***! Now even I must've been thinking of the anime where he seemed to poop himself and pray for Boo to hold off. Still, even in that scan, you can see Goku isn't pleased with being forced into collision, and his words help that notion.

edit: Now you got me all f***ed up. So that moment wasn't anime-only.
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Goku doesn't know what he's gonna do, he's pretty much frozen in one of the worst defensive positions I've ever seen in the series.
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Goku looks pretty willing to fight Boo if you ask me /s
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