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Omni-king Vs Z, GT & DBS
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Tinny	Jun 16 2016, 04:43 PM Post #16
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	RealSociedad Jun 16 2016, 04:10 PM Tinny you are assuming too much nonsense. Too much fantasy. Until Whis is prooven wrong, I take it as a fact that Omni-King can wipe out all universes out in a blinck with his power. Ssjgssjkkx10 Goku not being as powerful as Beerus isn't fantasy, it's pretty much true considering Champa got off scot free with nary a care after threatening a professional hitman who is as powerful as ssjgssjkkx10 Goku. If he was more powerful than him at any point, wouldn't he be the least bit worried or at least remind him that the omniking wouldn't like it? The gods lie and they do so consistently. I don't think it's man's to not believe the words of a liar until they're proven true. And who's assuming too much again? The one saying we don't know and have tool little information or the one declaring he knows how powerful a fighter that's never fought is? Heck iirc people were doing the same thing with Monaka, and look how that turned out. @Notaka Unless you're saying the omniking is as pure as kid Goku, he'll still die, it doesn't take much evil, and he's already stepped over it regardless of how he's destroyed it. Even if he hasn't actually destroyed it he's still likely to die to it. Edited by Tinny, Jun 16 2016, 04:45 PM.
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Notaka	Jun 16 2016, 04:57 PM Post #17
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	There's no proof he's evil. If destroying universes because "you're mad" makes you evil, then killing people is still evil. Goku did the same to his grandfather, but still was unaffected by the beam. As I've said, we don't know if it was intentional or not. That's the keypoint there. About the gods lying, you could probably say Beerus is a liar, but I very much doubt Whis is a liar. He's never lied before, and has no reason to lie about Omni King's power.
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lazerbem	Jun 16 2016, 05:11 PM Post #18
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Using Omni-King right now would be like using Monaka and assuming based off of the hype surrounding him that he could thrash Goku and Vegeta easily. Also, Omni-King destroying the universes could easily be hax. After all, if he controls the 18 universes, is it possible that what he did was more akin to pushing a "turn universe off" button than blowing it up? We don't know. For all we know, he made a giant rock and smashed them with it. This is why it's near impossible to use him, we have to use the word of someone who may not have even witnessed the event first hand and has been known to lie anyway.
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Notaka	Jun 16 2016, 05:16 PM Post #19
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Nah, whis states that he wiped them out: 　13:38 \| Whis: "You see, the King of All is the single most important person in existence." 　13:43 \| Whis: "None stand above him." 　13:46 \| Goku: "Does that mean he's the strongest?" 　13:56 \| Beerus: "The King of All doesn't fight, but he is the strongest. By an insane margin." 　14:04 \| Whis: "I believe Beerus-sama mentioned this back at the tournament too, but the King of All can wipe out anything in the blink of an eye. Naturally this includes evil-doers... Planets... Galaxies... Even universes. If he felt like it, our entire world would be no more." They went from 18 universes to 12. 6 were destroyed: 　14:27 \| Vegeta: "Has that ever happened? Has he wiped out entire worlds before?!" 　14:31 \| Whis: "Oh, yes. Previously, there were eighteen universes..." 　14:36 \| Vegeta: "So that means six universes..." 　14:39 \| Whis: "...offended him, if ever so slightly, and went up in smoke." He's featless, but statements about him make him well above the likes of any character ever introduced. Plus the fact that gods of destruction fear him and bow down to him in his presence. Edited by Notaka, Jun 16 2016, 05:19 PM.
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lazerbem	Jun 16 2016, 05:18 PM Post #20
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	That doesn't say what the method for it is, and again, did Whis see this or was it just hearsay? Because going off of hearsay, Super Saiyans would all be merciless according to the Ginyu Force.
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Tinny	Jun 16 2016, 05:20 PM Post #21
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Notaka Jun 16 2016, 04:57 PM There's no proof he's evil. If destroying universes because "you're mad" makes you evil, then killing people is still evil. Goku did the same to his grandfather, but still was unaffected by the beam. As I've said, we don't know if it was intentional or not. That's the keypoint there. About the gods lying, you could probably say Beerus is a liar, but I very much doubt Whis is a liar. He's never lied before, and has no reason to lie about Omni King's power. "If ever so slightly" ...yeah, he's dying from the beam. This guy is evil. And even if that weren't the case hasn't the devilmite beam already worked on people who would genuinely be considered good or was that exposition just filler from the anime I'm mixing up? Whis said Goku and Vegeta could win against Beerus by teaming up. Goku and Vegeta don't even make it to 10% of his strength on their own, how's teaming up gonna change anything?
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Notaka	Jun 16 2016, 05:24 PM Post #22
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	I don't get your point about Super Saiyans, but Whis explicitly says that 6 universes "went up in smokes". They use a lot the verb "Wiped" when talking about his power, because he destroys universes. be it hax or not, he's still a multi-universe buster. he's the only confirmed one in Dragon Ball. And no, we didn't get to know how whis knew about the 6 universes, but he has shown himself to be quite resourceful. he can see past events, which is most likely how he saw Omni King destroy the universes. Quote: "If ever so slightly" ...yeah, he's dying from the beam. This guy is evil. And even if that weren't the case hasn't the devilmite beam already worked on people who would genuinely be considered good or was that exposition just filler from the anime I'm mixing up? Whis said Goku and Vegeta could win against Beerus by teaming up. Goku and Vegeta don't even make it to 10% of his strength on their own, how's teaming up gonna change anything? Now why do you assume he is evil ? Just because he got furious ? he could very well got mad and let his power slipped up which destroyed the universes intentionally. the devilmite beam didn't work on Goku even though he killed his grandfather. He's not wrong. 1 SSG is already a challenge for Beerus. 2 SSJB, one of which is stronger than SSG would most likely beat him. and where in the world did you get the idea of SSJB Goku and Vegeta not even being 10% of Beerus ? That's ridiculous, Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta pushed Beerus to use a tenth of his power. Edited by Notaka, Jun 16 2016, 05:30 PM.
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Darker	Jun 16 2016, 05:37 PM Post #23
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	RealSociedad Jun 16 2016, 01:13 PM Yes there is an answer. In the past there were 18 universes, and 6 universes got destroyes BY OMNI-KING. Source: Whis-sama. Beerus and Whis are liars anyway. I don't buy it. And if I have to, we still don't know how he did such a thing. On-Topic: Someone with this much power could overwhelm anyone that doesn't have any kind of hax or reality-warping powers. In other words, barely anyone survives Omni-King's assault. We still need to see him in action to determine if he's fast or tough, because otherwise there's nothing to him besides Whis' statement. For all we know he could have the same power level as Umigame.
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Tinny	Jun 16 2016, 05:38 PM Post #24
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Obviously he wasn't furious if it only "ever so slightly" offended him. What does that matter? It's worked on genuinely good people before unless I'm not recalling correctly. No it didn't, it likely wasn't even 5 percent in reality.. Except ssjgssjkkx10 levels Goku weaker than Champa, likely by a large margin considering how Champa treats him with no consequences. He was lying quite simply. Otherwise ssjgssjkkx10 would be able to stomp Beerus and Champa, and once again, Champa seems very confident in his ability considering he doesn't have any sort of "Oh crap!" Moment upon realizing he can't kill them (including Hit who beat sskgssjkkx10 Goku) because of the next tournament after threatening to kill them. They're stronger than Goku at his strongest, and likely be a very good margin.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 16 2016, 05:52 PM Post #25
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Didn't Whis criticise Goku and Vegeta for always talking about someone's power in relation to their strength? That implies that the Omni-King has some sort of Magical Ability as opposed to the strength to wipe out six Universes.



Event Horizon	Jun 16 2016, 05:53 PM Post #26
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	lol what's with this "they're liars" bs going around? Basically every character has lied, so I guess we can't use any statement at all. statements are true until proven otherwise.



Notaka	Jun 16 2016, 05:53 PM Post #27
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Tinny Jun 16 2016, 05:38 PM Obviously he wasn't furious if it only "ever so slightly" offended him. What does that matter? It's worked on genuinely good people before unless I'm not recalling correctly. No it didn't, it likely wasn't even 5 percent in reality.. Except ssjgssjkkx10 levels Goku weaker than Champa, likely by a large margin considering how Champa treats him with no consequences. He was lying quite simply. Otherwise ssjgssjkkx10 would be able to stomp Beerus and Champa, and once again, Champa seems very confident in his ability considering he doesn't have any sort of "Oh crap!" Moment upon realizing he can't kill them (including Hit who beat sskgssjkkx10 Goku) because of the next tournament after threatening to kill them. They're stronger than Goku at his strongest, and likely be a very good margin. It still doesn't make him evil. Don't you also notice how he has a child-like personality ? That's an important factor. Even the smallest offense would make a child furious, why would you think he's any different ? and for all that matters, what if destroying these 6 universes were actually a good deed ? we know nothing about them except that they were destroyed by him. What if the inhabitants were evil and they deserved it ? No one is insane enough to anger him. So what you're basically saying is, SSJB Goku/Vegeta are somehow weaker than Ragegeta, even though the forms are outright stated to be stronger than SSG: Narrator: "In order to surpass the powered up Freeza, Goku mutated into a form that exceeded even Super Saiyan God." And SSJG KKX10 Goku got Beerus worried. It's simply too straining, and has a low chance of working. it's used a last resort. it has way too many drawbacks to be effective in a fight. 　06:47 \| Cabba: "Hit-san's pride wouldn't allow him to win like..." 　06:50 \| Champa: "Who cares?! This contest is between me and Beerus." 　07:01 \| Champa: "You're nothing but pawns in our game!" Just after Champa said this, both Hit and Goku glared at him, which scared him. Just because he gloats about destroying them after their fight which leaves them tired doesn't mean he's so far above them. It honestly makes no sense whatsoever Goku/Vegeta get weaker than 10% Beerus. I could at least accept Beerus getting a lot stronger for no logical way, but no that's just ridiculous. @Hit I honestly have no clue. Even the narrator was accused of lying. I mean what ? Edited by Notaka, Jun 16 2016, 05:54 PM.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 16 2016, 05:58 PM Post #28
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	It is absolutely pointless to put Omni King in any fight. He will win no matter what by blinking everyone out of existence. There is not a single fight he could lose.
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Tinny	Jun 16 2016, 06:03 PM Post #29
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Hit Jun 16 2016, 05:53 PM lol what's with this "they're liars" bs going around? Basically every character has lied, so I guess we can't use any statement at all. statements are true until proven otherwise. When they lie about everything power related, I can't help but question them. And it's not like that was my argument, my argument was we know about as much of him as we did about Nipples. @Notaka Yeah, and? Once again, and? The SKoT is also practically a kid and she can be responsible. See that's actually a fair argument, as we know literally nothing about him. But again, Goku was literally the only person it wouldn't have worked on. It would have killed Roshi as well frankly, unless you're now telling me he's evil. Goku was mire pure than any of them. And Hit? What about him? And again, Champa would have realized he just threatened someone much stronger than him that he needs alive and competing in the next tournament, but from everything we've seen, Champa is perfectly fine, he didn't have a realization that he made a threat someone that could kill both him and Beerus if he felt like it. It doesn't matter how close they are, the fact that he's even somewhat superior is very telling that Goku wasn't even at 10% of Beerus. If Goku and Vegeta were even at 11% in ssjgssj, Goku would be stronger using that form while Hit would be more powerful than the gods period. Sigh, this is basically Monaka all over again, slightly less so since I doubt they'll pull the same thing twice... Maybe. Edited by Tinny, Jun 16 2016, 06:04 PM.
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Event Horizon	Jun 16 2016, 06:21 PM Post #30
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Goku has lied, according to the logic flowing around here - every statement from his is rendered invalid because he's a liar. @Tinny - Why even doubt it when there's nothing disproving it? A statement should always be looked at as being true, until said statement is proven to be false. I'm not a fan when people over-complicate things for absolutely no reason at all. @thread - Omni-King destroys, until proven otherwise.



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