Is There A Way to Justify Dabra>Super Perfect Cell?

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Is There A Way to Justify Dabra>Super Perfect Cell?
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KidBuu55	Jun 14 2016, 02:31 AM Post #16
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 14 2016, 02:17 AM Nothing about Goku and Vegeta teaming up on Dabura was ever mentioned. Quote: Vegeta: “Hmph…The way things are going, this ‘Majin Boo’ guy isn’t going to be anything special, is he? Just like that ‘Dabra’ jerk…[ ] I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something. I can’t call Kibito anything but a bumbler for getting done-in like that…” Quote: Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2 Context: as Dabra fights Gohan Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?” Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…” Goku: “He really did slack off!” No matter what, he was far beyond Cell at this point, as Goku stated 7 years ago he would be "a frightening opponent"



Thiln	Jun 14 2016, 03:25 AM Post #17
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	I've presented the Kiri measuring device's estimate of SSJ Goku (with aura) and Dabura's lack of intimidation several times now. If he was only on-par with SSJ Gohan who is weaker than Goku then that should have been cause for alarm, both for Dabura and Babidi whom I would assume knows the Kiri readings of his subordinates. From there, giving a low estimate of SSJ2 Gohan's deterioration to the Buu arc should put him close to Super Perfect Cell, at least in my opinion, and then put Dabura slightly ahead of Gohan.



+ Ryebrid	Jun 14 2016, 05:30 AM Post #18
Posts: 3,135 Group: Elite Member Member #4,909 Joined: May 21, 2010 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Code Geass, Soul Eater, Sword Art Online What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Quote: Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 14 2016, 02:17 AM Nothing about Goku and Vegeta teaming up on Dabura was ever mentioned. Quote: Vegeta: “Hmph…The way things are going, this ‘Majin Boo’ guy isn’t going to be anything special, is he? Just like that ‘Dabra’ jerk…[ ] I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something. I can’t call Kibito anything but a bumbler for getting done-in like that…” Having said that, they later confidently let Gohan vs him one on one, despite knowing how weak he's become. Vegeta is addressing them and himself as collective individuals. Quote: Quote: Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2 Context: as Dabra fights Gohan Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?” Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…” Goku: “He really did slack off!” No matter what, he was far beyond Cell at this point, as Goku stated 7 years ago he would be "a frightening opponent" If Vegeta is insinuating that all of them can handle Dabura as SSJ2's, and you think he's even greater than SPC, Gohan should have had his a* handed to him. They were deluded in thinking Gohan on his own could take Dabura. There's no reason for Dabura to hold back when his sole mission is to get energy for Majin Boo. 7 years ago Goku couldn't beat a suppressed Perfect Cell. That's probably the level of power he's referring too. Akira always drew Super Saiyan 2's with a surging bio-electric aura, pre and post the Gohan vs Dabura fight. He's clearly depicted as a MSSJ. Ever since his scene at the budokai, where he transformed out of anger for Videl, Akira lacked barely any distinction in hair design. Edited by Ryebrid**, Jun 14 2016, 05:33 AM.



KidBuu55	Jun 14 2016, 06:42 AM Post #19
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ryebrid Jun 14 2016, 05:30 AM Quote: Mr. Hashbrowns Jun 14 2016, 02:17 AM Nothing about Goku and Vegeta teaming up on Dabura was ever mentioned. Quote: Vegeta: “Hmph…The way things are going, this ‘Majin Boo’ guy isn’t going to be anything special, is he? Just like that ‘Dabra’ jerk…[ ] I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something. I can’t call Kibito anything but a bumbler for getting done-in like that…” Having said that, they later confidently let Gohan vs him one on one, despite knowing how weak he's become. Vegeta is addressing them and himself as collective individuals. Quote: Quote: Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2 Context: as Dabra fights Gohan Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?” Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…” Goku: “He really did slack off!” No matter what, he was far beyond Cell at this point, as Goku stated 7 years ago he would be "a frightening opponent" If Vegeta is insinuating that all of them can handle Dabura as SSJ2's, and you think he's even greater than SPC, Gohan should have had his a*** handed to him. They were deluded in thinking Gohan on his own could take Dabura. There's no reason for Dabura to hold back when his sole mission is to get energy for Majin Boo. 7 years ago Goku couldn't beat a suppressed Perfect Cell. That's probably the level of power he's referring too. Akira always drew Super Saiyan 2's with a surging bio-electric aura, pre and post the Gohan vs Dabura fight. He's clearly depicted as a MSSJ. Ever since his scene at the budokai, where he transformed out of anger for Videl, Akira lacked barely any distinction in hair design. Incorrect, see post above yours.



Fearless Saiyajin	Jun 14 2016, 02:23 PM Post #20
Legendary of Super Saiyan Posts: 1,484 Group: Member Member #11,648 Joined: September 3, 2014 Gender Male Country India Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT and Ranma 1/2 What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonballZ and Ranma 1/2	I can't see any way for Dabura being SS2 tier since all evidence points that he's not.
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KidBuu55	Jun 14 2016, 04:28 PM Post #21
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Prince Saiyan Jun 14 2016, 02:23 PM I can't see any way for Dabura being SS2 tier since all evidence points that he's not. Literally everything says he is, including the Daizenshuus and the anime. The story even STRONGLY suggest he is.



lazerbem	Jun 14 2016, 04:36 PM Post #22
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Gohan emasculated Dabra by Freudian standards and by in story standards, snapped his sword in half. That doesn't happen with huge power differences.
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Dankness Lava	Jun 14 2016, 05:57 PM Post #23
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Wasnt Dabura just testing Gohan in that bout? He did go in that meditation chamber after.



+ Solid Snake	Jun 14 2016, 06:04 PM Post #24
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Dabura can be just under full powered Cell if he felt he could take him the next round. Gohan never used Super Saiyan 2 on Dabura but did on Cell. Yet Goku points out to Gohan to get angry like he did against Cell (hinting his son needs Super Saiyan 2). Be aware that Dabura hasn't seen this form so he's confident in beating Super Saiyan Gohan, not 2.
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KidBuu55	Jun 14 2016, 06:17 PM Post #25
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Solid Snake Jun 14 2016, 06:04 PM Dabura can be just under full powered Cell if he felt he could take him the next round. Gohan never used Super Saiyan 2 on Dabura but did on Cell. Yet Goku points out to Gohan to get angry like he did against Cell (hinting his son needs Super Saiyan 2). Be aware that Dabura hasn't seen this form so he's confident in beating Super Saiyan Gohan, not 2. Gohan was an SSJ2. He is stated to be putting out MORE power when he was fighting Dabura than he did at the TB with SSJ2.



+ Pyrus	Jun 14 2016, 06:25 PM Post #26
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Darkness Flame Jun 14 2016, 05:57 PM Wasnt Dabura just testing Gohan in that bout? He did go in that meditation chamber after. I believe that was anime filler.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 14 2016, 07:54 PM Post #27
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	If Dabura was trying to gather energy, I don't see why he'd hold back.
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EMIYA	Jun 14 2016, 11:54 PM Post #28
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Let's take a look at Dabura's glorious intelligence. 1.) Though Piccolo was a piece of trash while Base Saiyans were worthy enough. (For you Piccolo>Base Saiyans people) 2.) Thought Super Saiyan Goku was just..glowing. 3.) Thought Majin Boo was trash and was going to wreck him. 4.) Thought Gohan was trash despite the fact that he was put on the defensive the first part of the fight (that we see) had to resort to magic and tricks to get the advantage and gets his own sword broken. Honestly the only reason Dabura even had an advantage in that fight was because Goku suggested it. 5.) Despite barely being able to handle the weakest of the lot, Dabura thought he was going to take on all three Saiyans, plus Kaioshin I'm sure and win. 6.) Despite talking about how he was going to handle everything and get energy, he wastes so much time Babidi tells him to hurry, noting that if Boo was here, this wouldn't have even be an issue. Honestly, Dabura is more full of s*** than Super Beerus.



+ Pyrus	Jun 14 2016, 11:57 PM Post #29
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	At least Dabura's power didn't change episode to episode.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Jun 15 2016, 12:29 AM Post #30
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Gohan was stated to be weaker than his Cell Games self, and by a noticeable amount as well. Considering that Dabura got no substantial shots in with this weaker version of Gohan (who was in SSj, not SSj2), this is evidence enough to say that he wasn't even close to Super Cell. Dabura definitely would've been focused on inflicting damage on Gohan and not simply screwing around because inflicting damage on the opponent is how Boo gets energy for revival. To put it bluntly, Dabura most certainly was at his limit, or was at least close to it. However, Gohan limiting his ki output by only being in SSj and not in SSj2 could be explained by him not wanting to feed Boo, if Gohan indeed felt that he was strong enough in SSj to beat Dabura. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 15 2016, 12:35 AM.
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