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Ssj Goten and Trunks vs. Frieza on Namek
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Topic Started: Jun 13 2016, 06:09 PM (1,887 Views)
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Jun 14 2016, 01:46 AM
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Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
SSJ Goten and Trunks below 1.2 million? You're just full of surprises, aren't you?
I stated FULL power Freiza, but considering the Yo Son Goku special that they needed Fusion to match an adults SSJ, I don't have a lot of faith in their strength individually.
Full power Freeza has nothing to do with this as OP stated he's a 1% of that. A random (non-canon, correct me if I'm wrong) movie's feats triumphs the manga's? Interesting.
Official material (Super and BOG movie) state that GOKU is weaker than Frieza without SSJ - the kids aren't anywhere near his power. So the Son Goku special is right.
Super and BoG state that Beerus calls a heavily suppressed Goku weaker than Freeza. But I guess Goku was casually walking around at full power, right?
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
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Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
SSJ Goten and Trunks below 1.2 million? You're just full of surprises, aren't you?
I stated FULL power Freiza, but considering the Yo Son Goku special that they needed Fusion to match an adults SSJ, I don't have a lot of faith in their strength individually.
Full power Freeza has nothing to do with this as OP stated he's a 1% of that. A random (non-canon, correct me if I'm wrong) movie's feats triumphs the manga's? Interesting.
Official material (Super and BOG movie) state that GOKU is weaker than Frieza without SSJ - the kids aren't anywhere near his power. So the Son Goku special is right.
Super and BoG state that Beerus calls a heavily suppressed Goku weaker than Freeza. But I guess Goku was casually walking around at full power, right?
The line about Goku being weaker than Frieza in base is present in BOTH the movie and show. Goku goes SSJ and attacks Beerus, to which Beerus makes a remark that he ' could [finally] see how Goku was powerful enough to beat Frieza, but that's all he could manage. '
I'll go with the two statements made over just random speculation.
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Jun 14 2016, 01:53 AM
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
When you have SSJ3 Goku above Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Boo, it becomes very wrong.
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
When you have SSJ3 Goku above Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Boo, it becomes very wrong.
I don't. But what is your reasoning behind Base Goku>Final Form Frieza?
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
When you have SSJ3 Goku above Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Boo, it becomes very wrong.
I don't. But what is your reasoning behind Base Goku>Final Form Frieza?
I didn't say you did. KidBuu55 does.
The entire Boo arc is Base Saiyans > Freeza porn.
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Jun 14 2016, 01:58 AM
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Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
SSJ Goten and Trunks below 1.2 million? You're just full of surprises, aren't you?
I stated FULL power Freiza, but considering the Yo Son Goku special that they needed Fusion to match an adults SSJ, I don't have a lot of faith in their strength individually.
Full power Freeza has nothing to do with this as OP stated he's a 1% of that. A random (non-canon, correct me if I'm wrong) movie's feats triumphs the manga's? Interesting.
Official material (Super and BOG movie) state that GOKU is weaker than Frieza without SSJ - the kids aren't anywhere near his power. So the Son Goku special is right.
Super and BoG state that Beerus calls a heavily suppressed Goku weaker than Freeza. But I guess Goku was casually walking around at full power, right?
The line about Goku being weaker than Frieza in base is present in BOTH the movie and show. Goku goes SSJ and attacks Beerus, to which Beerus makes a remark that he ' could [finally] see how Goku was powerful enough to beat Frieza, but that's all he could manage. ' I'll go with the two statements made over just random speculation.
It's not speculation...it's freaking common sense. It makes no sense for Goku to walk around at full power, he would destroy everything he touches.
For once set aside your bias fail logic and post something objective.
You're still on probation, which means if you continue trolling again you're just going to end up suspended again, but I guess you don't care unless you piss everyone off.
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
When you have SSJ3 Goku above Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Boo, it becomes very wrong.
I don't. But what is your reasoning behind Base Goku>Final Form Frieza?
I didn't say you did. KidBuu55 does. The entire Boo arc is Base Saiyans > Freeza porn.
I just don't see how that can be. You must have some major increases in their powers from training.
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You have East Kaioshin saying he could easily defeat Frieza, but later you have him cowering in fear of Yakon and saying him Goku, Vegeta and Gohan should all team up on him...then you have Base Goku toying with him and only going SSJ because he wanted to prove he had a source of light if he needed it.
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You have East Kaioshin saying he could easily defeat Frieza, but later you have him cowering in fear of Yakon and saying him Goku, Vegeta and Gohan should all team up on him...then you have Base Goku toying with him and only going SSJ because he wanted to prove he had a source of light if he needed it.
None of Babidi's men have a Ki that can be sensed. All that happens is Kaioshin is being overly cautious, to which Vegeta mocks him for (until Buu starts to power up)
If that's all the proof you have, I'll just chalk it up to a 'lack of understanding' and hold my position that they are indeed weaker than Freiza.
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
When you have SSJ3 Goku above Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Boo, it becomes very wrong.
I don't. But what is your reasoning behind Base Goku>Final Form Frieza?
I didn't say you did. KidBuu55 does. The entire Boo arc is Base Saiyans > Freeza porn.
I just don't see how that can be. You must have some major increases in their powers from training.
Freeza: 120
Android-Arc Base Goku: 8
SSJ: 400
18: 650
17: 700
16: 1500
Imperfect Cell post-humans: 1500
Semi-Perfect Cell: 3000
ASSJ Vegeta: 4000
Initial Perfect Cell: 8000
50% MSSJ Goku: 8000
100%: 16000
Base: 320
Boo-arc Base Goku: 500
BoG: > 500
Throw in Vegeta's confidence in winning the tournament in Base, Babidi and Dabura keeping Base Saiyans while tossing Piccolo away (I'm not saying Base Saiyans > Piccolo), Kaioshin's shock at their Base power, and the kids fighting 18 in Base while restricted in a costume. Freeza > Base Saiyans begins to not make sense, and one line from Beerus to a suppressed Goku doesn't change that.
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
When you have SSJ3 Goku above Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Boo, it becomes very wrong.
I don't. But what is your reasoning behind Base Goku>Final Form Frieza?
I didn't say you did. KidBuu55 does. The entire Boo arc is Base Saiyans > Freeza porn.
I just don't see how that can be. You must have some major increases in their powers from training.
Freeza: 120 Android-Arc Base Goku: 8 SSJ: 400 18: 650 17: 700 16: 1500 Imperfect Cell post-humans: 1500 Semi-Perfect Cell: 3000 ASSJ Vegeta: 4000 Initial Perfect Cell: 8000 50% MSSJ Goku: 8000 100%: 16000 Base: 320 Boo-arc Base Goku: 500 BoG: > 500 Throw in Vegeta's confidence in winning the tournament in Base, Babidi and Dabura keeping Base Saiyans while tossing Piccolo away (I'm not saying Base Saiyans > Piccolo), Kaioshin's shock at their Base power, and the kids fighting 18 in Base while restricted in a costume. Freeza > Base Saiyans begins to not make sense, and one line from Beerus to a suppressed Goku doesn't change that.
You made up a bunch of numbers that really doesn't mean much to most of us. 
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You have East Kaioshin saying he could easily defeat Frieza, but later you have him cowering in fear of Yakon and saying him Goku, Vegeta and Gohan should all team up on him...then you have Base Goku toying with him and only going SSJ because he wanted to prove he had a source of light if he needed it.
None of Babidi's men have a Ki that can be sensed. All that happens is Kaioshin is being overly cautious, to which Vegeta mocks him for (until Buu starts to power up) If that's all the proof you have, I'll just chalk it up to a 'lack of understanding' and hold my position that they are indeed weaker than Freiza.
And yet Kaioshin seemed to know Yakon prior to arriving on Earth, so it's safe to coming to the conclusion that he knows Yakon's power as well.
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I honestly don't see what's wrong with having Base Goku weaker than Frieza's Final Form.
When you have SSJ3 Goku above Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Boo, it becomes very wrong.
I don't. But what is your reasoning behind Base Goku>Final Form Frieza?
I didn't say you did. KidBuu55 does. The entire Boo arc is Base Saiyans > Freeza porn.
I just don't see how that can be. You must have some major increases in their powers from training.
Freeza: 120 Android-Arc Base Goku: 8 SSJ: 400 18: 650 17: 700 16: 1500 Imperfect Cell post-humans: 1500 Semi-Perfect Cell: 3000 ASSJ Vegeta: 4000 Initial Perfect Cell: 8000 50% MSSJ Goku: 8000 100%: 16000 Base: 320 Boo-arc Base Goku: 500 BoG: > 500 Throw in Vegeta's confidence in winning the tournament in Base, Babidi and Dabura keeping Base Saiyans while tossing Piccolo away (I'm not saying Base Saiyans > Piccolo), Kaioshin's shock at their Base power, and the kids fighting 18 in Base while restricted in a costume. Freeza > Base Saiyans begins to not make sense, and one line from Beerus to a suppressed Goku doesn't change that.
You made up a bunch of numbers that really doesn't mean much to most of us.
If "most of us" means people too tick-headed to accept anything other than their own "opinion" sure. My numbers are based on feats, your entire argument rests on a single line that is easily dismissed.
You have nothing. Absolutely, positively nothing.
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You have East Kaioshin saying he could easily defeat Frieza, but later you have him cowering in fear of Yakon and saying him Goku, Vegeta and Gohan should all team up on him...then you have Base Goku toying with him and only going SSJ because he wanted to prove he had a source of light if he needed it.
None of Babidi's men have a Ki that can be sensed. All that happens is Kaioshin is being overly cautious, to which Vegeta mocks him for (until Buu starts to power up) If that's all the proof you have, I'll just chalk it up to a 'lack of understanding' and hold my position that they are indeed weaker than Freiza.
And yet Kaioshin seemed to know Yakon prior to arriving on Earth, so it's safe to coming to the conclusion that he knows Yakon's power as well.
Again, none of Babidi's men had a Ki that could be sensed. Being aware of their presence isn't exclusive to Ki sensing. I'll trust Kaioshin and Vegeta's statements over implications based on nothing.
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