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Ssj Goten and Trunks vs. Frieza on Namek
Topic Started: Jun 13 2016, 06:09 PM (1,885 Views)
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Would ssj Goten and ssj Trunks be able to defeat Frieza on Namek

-Goten and Trunks are allowed to fight him 2 against 1
-They have not entered the ROSAT
-Frieza is in his ultimate form, but at only 1%
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Super Saiyan Goten alone could beat Artificial Human No. 18 with only a fraction of his power, so the kids win:
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Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P8.4, P9.1-7
Context: as Trunks and Goten fight No.18 in their Mighty Mask costume
Trunks: “Da-dammit! We can’t win like this!”
Goten: “Let’s turn into Super Saiyans, Trunks!”
Trunks: “That's it! We’ve got this thing on, so she won’t be able to tell who we are…Alright! Shall we turn into [Super Saiyans]?”
Goten: “Yeah!”
No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”
*they become Super Saiyans*
No.18: “!!”
Trunks: “Either way, we’re at a disadvantage in this getup, so we’ve got no choice but to settle this with a kiai cannon!”
Goten: “Eh! But will she be alright?...”
Trunks: “Don’t worry, she won’t die if we do it appropriately. She’s No.18…”


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Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P10.1-2
Context: as Trunks prepares to fire a ki blast at No.18
No.18: “…I see…Super Saiyan, huh?...I finally know your identity, boys…”
Goten: “Don’t do it at full force!”
Trunks: “I know, I know!”
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The kids can win without Super Saiyan. Freeza is a joke by the Boo arc.
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Jun 14 2016, 12:02 AM
The kids can win without Super Saiyan. Freeza is a joke by the Boo arc.
This. I know nerfing the kids is a popular thing, but how could anyone justify them being this weak when Goten alone gave Gohan immense difficulty?
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"Gohan was holding back!"
"BOG"
"Base Saiyans are weaker than Kaioshin"

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But the most popular
"They're just kids, they can't be that powerful. They're not even as strong as Namek Goku, see how he struggles with gravity?"
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There's way too much in favor of the kids being within shouting distance of the adults, much less Freeza. They stomp.


Edit: Just noticed Freeza is only at 1%. That's adding insult to injury and bordering on spite.
Edited by Slifer, Jun 14 2016, 01:37 AM.
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Only at 1% and they're fighting together? Not to mention that they're fighting as Super Saiyans? This is a crazy easy stomp for Goten and Trunks, absolute overkill.
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Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
Edited by KidBuu55, Jun 14 2016, 01:29 AM.
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Jun 14 2016, 01:29 AM
Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
SSJ Goten and Trunks below 1.2 million? You're just full of surprises, aren't you?
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Jun 14 2016, 01:34 AM
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Jun 14 2016, 01:29 AM
Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
SSJ Goten and Trunks below 1.2 million? You're just full of surprises, aren't you?
I stated FULL power Freiza, but considering the Yo Son Goku special that they needed Fusion to match an adults SSJ, I don't have a lot of faith in their strength individually.
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Jun 14 2016, 01:38 AM
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Jun 14 2016, 01:29 AM
Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
SSJ Goten and Trunks below 1.2 million? You're just full of surprises, aren't you?
I stated FULL power Freiza, but considering the Yo Son Goku special that they needed Fusion to match an adults SSJ, I don't have a lot of faith in their strength individually.
Full power Freeza has nothing to do with this as OP stated he's a 1% of that.

A random (non-canon, correct me if I'm wrong) movie's feats triumphs the manga's? Interesting.
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Yeah, there isn't any evidence saying they're weaker than Frieza and the Boo arc pretty much spells it out that all Base Saiyajins have surpassed Frieza(Since Goku, Pre Majin Vegeta and Gohan are grouped together, but earlier we see that Gohan, Trunks and Goten are also close in power, so they also have to be part of that group), there's really no way for them to be that weak.

Also, nothing has ever been stated or implied about any magical number stacked on to the SSJ Multiplier, so if two Saiyajins are comparable in SSJ, then they are also comparable in Base.
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Goten roflstomps in base. There is absolutely no way they can lose.
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Jun 14 2016, 01:41 AM
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Jun 14 2016, 01:29 AM
Full power Frieza stomps, per Yo Son Goku special.
SSJ Goten and Trunks below 1.2 million? You're just full of surprises, aren't you?
I stated FULL power Freiza, but considering the Yo Son Goku special that they needed Fusion to match an adults SSJ, I don't have a lot of faith in their strength individually.
Full power Freeza has nothing to do with this as OP stated he's a 1% of that.

A random (non-canon, correct me if I'm wrong) movie's feats triumphs the manga's? Interesting.
Official material (Super and BOG movie) state that GOKU is weaker than Frieza without SSJ - the kids aren't anywhere near his power. So the Son Goku special is right.
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