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Terrorist attack in Florida
Topic Started: Jun 12 2016, 06:39 PM (4,861 Views)
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If that's the case, then it seems like he's just playing edgy when he said that or he was trying to increase his post mortem notoriety
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Good God the stupid is out in force on this one already.


People believe that this is all fake, it's just an elaborate hoax formed by Hilary Clinton who's part of the NWO, in order to take American guns away.

Based on the fact that there aren't videos of 50 bodies being carried out and people are assuming those in videos are just crisis actors because they don't look that injured...

Since when do the news just casually show piles of bodies on the news?
The media can be pretty morbid but come on it's not often it gets that graphic and disrespectful. People make s***ty hoax theories while the bodies are still warm...
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Jun 15 2016, 06:46 PM
People believe that this is all fake
...There are people who think this is fake?
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People. Are. Stupid.
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Jun 15 2016, 07:06 PM
Steve
Jun 15 2016, 06:46 PM
People believe that this is all fake
...There are people who think this is fake?
Based on s*** like this:




So...it's fake...because they put a guy down? Wut. It's not like he started doing cartwheels they just couldn't carry him further.

There are tens, probably hundreds of videos like these and probably tons of idiotic blog posts too.


All just to git ur guns!
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I'm fairly sure the psychological theory with the denial is that choosing to think that the government is this kind of secret cabal with that much control lessens the horror and randomness of the actions by making it an evil big establishment run by lizard people or something.

Anyway, this is nothing new. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams and all that
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That was a conspriacy? That jet fuel could melt steel beams? Seriously?

.....damn that is a STUPID conspiracy.
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That one is particularly hilarious because it all stems from a cropped image where there's a cut steel beam in the wreckage "OMG, a plane couldn't do that it was a set up"
Years of conspiracy s***.

Orignal photo shows a guy next to it who was cutting the beam with a power tool...

People still ramble on about that and disagree with metal experts.

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Seeing a lot more on Facebook about how this guy was at the club before and frequented gay apps, hopefully people will open their minds a bit more to non ISIS possibilities.

Also his girlfriend tried to talk him out of it but didn't phone to police? Seen that popping up a few times. Appropriately she's in trouble for that sounds like.
(unless that's bogus, didn't want to chance clickbait)
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No, that is being reported by CNN as well. It already has gone to a grand jury but no idea if they decided yet if she has any culpability.
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lazerbem
Jun 15 2016, 12:32 AM
Could it be that the shooter agreed with the political side of ISIS and not the religious radical side? I mean if he isn't religious but still says he's with them, then there's got to be a reason. Or he could just be mental.

Also, Trump's a prick for exploiting it before the bodies are cold
Obama beat him to the exploiting pretty much before the first survivors of the shooting started dying of their wounds, and Hillary is exploiting it even more than he is, Trump is just being his usual blabbermouth self.

Anyway turns out the rifle used wasn't even an AR-15. It was a Sig Sauer MCX. Liberal media, Obama, and Hillary is still pushing that it was a "big, scawwy, miwwatawwy gwade assawlt wifle".
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Even the victims called it an assault rifle so I don't see what your point is. The exact model matters less than the fact he used it to kill innocent people.
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Actually it matters quite a bit. The assault on law abiding Americans and their rights by Liberals is bogus. The media, Obama, and Hillary are blaming "assault rifles" for the attack and not the terrorist or ISIS. They're trying to propagate an blatantly obvious lie about how AR-15s are assault rifles and that they should be banned, using this shooting as an example.

The fact that it wasn't an AR-15 means anyone with half a brain can see their agenda it's entirely based on lies, fear mongering, and a disgusting lack of concern for the victims of any shooting. Even now major news outlets are still reporting that an AR-15 was used in the attack because the fact that the scary sporting rifle they so love to hate wasn't used is an inconvenient truth for them. Laws being passed based upon lies and misconception are a result of their negligence.

I have never seen a shooting under Obamas two terms where the shooters themselves were blamed, only the guns and that is absolutely appalling to remove all responsibility from people like Adam Lanza or Omar Mateen.
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You're missing the point by a country mile. The type of gun is irrelevant. They all kill people. The number of killings and suicides by guns is too high. Something needs to be done about it whether it's better mental health care, better crime prevention, stricter gun rules. Doing nothing means this is going to keep happening. Anything that can bring down the death toll is positive in my book.


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Well the CIA just confirmed the shooter had NO connection to ISIS at all so there is no reason to believe this was even ISIS inspired. It seems like it could just as easily be a self-hating gay man who used ISIS to get more attention. He certainly wouldn't be allowed inside ISIS zeeing as he appeared to be a closet gay.


And as for the apparent desire to remove assault weapons from civilian use, they are currently trying to prevent others on the terrorist watch list from having access to guns first. I have no issues with that.

The fact is, the near-unrestricted access of firearms around the US bothers me. If the registration requirements were a little more focused on preventing sales to people who shouldn't have guns, I'd feel better.

Besides, if your argument is based on fear mongering, the NRA has claimed that more guns stop this kinda crap and that ANY reform on gun laws inexorably leads to losing ALL guns, which nothing but fear-mongering, lies and a complete disregard for the victims of the shootings. If they were right, then there should have been a history of less shootings in America as more and more guns are sold every year from 2001 on.
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Jun 17 2016, 03:22 AM
Well the CIA just confirmed the shooter had NO connection to ISIS at all so there is no reason to believe this was even ISIS inspired. It seems like it could just as easily be a self-hating ay man who used ISIS to get more attention. He certainly wouldn't be allowed inside ISIS zeeing as he appeared to be a closet ay.


And as for the apparent desire to remove assault weapons from civilian use, they are currently trying to prevent others on the terrorist watch list from having access to guns first. I have no issues with that.

The fact is, the near-unrestricted access of firearms around the US bothers me. If the registration requirements were a little more focused on preventing sales to people who shouldn't have guns, I'd feel better.

Besides, if your argument is based on fear mongering, the NRA has claimed that more guns stop this kinda crap and that ANY reform on gun laws inexorably leads to losing ALL guns, which nothing but fear-mongering, lies and a complete disregard for the victims of the shootings. If they were right, then there should have been a history of less shootings in America as more and more guns are sold every year from 2001 on.
Regardless of if he was actually a member of ISIS or not he was ISIS affiliated and inspired. "Watch lists" are unconstitutional when used to prevent people from exercising their rights. Hillary has said she wants to use the TSA "No Fly" list to ban people from buying firearms. There's no logical reason for getting on the No Fly list, it is simply there to be abused if allowed.

There is no "near unrestricted" access of firearms in America. Law abiding citizens are able to buy firearms legally in most states with very little hassle from the criminal elite that want to restrict the right. Criminals and those with recorded past mental illnesses cannot buy a firearm legally through any dealer at all, it is a federal law and dealers take it incredibly seriously because they can spend 20 years in prison if they do sell one to them off the books. Believe it or not Firearm dealers are the most heavily regulated business type in the United States. I should know, I used to work at one as a part time job for the summer. The same thing applies to private sales if they can prove you knowingly sold a firearm to a criminal or person with mental history that eliminates firearm ownership. As it stands firearm ownership is a right, not a privilege, although there are some who would rather see it be none.

With this Omar Mateen guy buying his guns legally, what happened was he went to a gun store, they ran a NICS background check on him, he didn't pass the background check so they kicked him out without selling a gun to him. He then went to another gun shop, failed that background check, and the store owners called the BATFE branch of the FBI, and they gave the store owners the go ahead to sell him some guns. It wasn't the fault of the existing gun laws, it was the fault of the FBI for allowing the sale.


As for your last paragraph, I think you should look at the again numbers, there is a decline in deaths from gunshot wound since 2001. Even the murder rate has been in rapid decline as more people own firearms, although there was a period from 2004-2006 where the murder rate jumped up, but it's sharply declined and we're now at our lowest point since 1969, shootings like Sandy Hook and The Orlando shooting included. Violent crime rate is down 16.9% since 2005 and murder is down 14.9% since 2005.

In 2001 there were 11,248 murders with firearms. In 2010 there were 8,874, 2011 there were 8,653, 2012 there were 8,897, 2013 there were 8,454, 2014 there were 8,124. Of all those homicides very few (under 400) of them were committed with rifles, and even less with AR-15s. Handguns are the primary firearms used in murders, some years being as high as 83%.

I'm not sure how to link to exact pages on pdf links (I'm more of a mechanical guy than technical) but here's where I got my statistics. 2015 statistics are not released yet, but generally the FBI states violent crime and homicide is following a downward trend, meanwhile the FBI has processed 10s of millions of NICS background checks since 2001, and says America is at it's highest point of civilian gun ownership, estimating between 90 million and 120 million people own firearms legally in the United States.

States and cities with with abusive gun control laws (Hawaii being the exception, because it's a tiny island, easy to control import/export) have the largest murder by firearm rates in the country, population accounted for. Texas cities like Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio have the most restrictive gun laws in the state as well as the highest amount of gang violence and homicides by firearm. California being the highest in gun violence, followed by Texas, Georgia, and New York. Texas as a state has very lax gun control in all areas outside of aformentioned cities, yet they enjoy less violence and homicides by firearms as opposed to those cities. Those 3 cities make up 77.6% of Texas'gun violence. It is the same thing for Georgia, Atlanta having the most restrictive gun control laws and the highest homicide by firearm rates.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-1a

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-20

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-8/Table_8_Offenses_Known_to_Law_Enforcement_by_State_by_City_2014.xls/view

Edit: I left out Illinois and cities in Louisiana as also having some of the highest firearm homicides in the country while also possessing some of the most restrictive gun control, some of the cities in Lousiana do so illegally in the State but nothing is done to remove those laws.

Also what's with the censor? Your post had the other word for homosexual in it and it's not letting me edit my own post until I remove them, the continue option just being an endless loop.
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