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| Dankness Lava | Jun 13 2016, 01:33 AM Post #61 |
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I ask you what these logical reasons are. |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 13 2016, 01:35 AM Post #62 |
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I didn't read the speech. I assumed he was playing the pussy again instead of fighting back.
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| Dankness Lava | Jun 13 2016, 01:41 AM Post #63 |
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It's funny, that guy who professes himself a Christian surely didn't know that if you're going to kill somebody for sinning, you need to be blameless yourself. |
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| lazerbem | Jun 13 2016, 02:09 AM Post #64 |
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Either that or he didn't care about going to Hell or he thought that he could redeem himself by killing "sinners". Mental gymnastics can take you a long way. @Jar Jar Humans typically didn't live longer than 40 when in the wild, therefore, that's not an issue. Fire arms had nothing to do with making humans not be prey. |
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| Dankness Lava | Jun 13 2016, 02:12 AM Post #65 |
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Either way it's sad, some people are just so lost. |
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| + Steve | Jun 13 2016, 09:19 PM Post #66 |
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You're ignoring a lot of factors there though. Fear, adrenaline, general confusion and all the people moving around. You would have to be trained to be able to see through that and clearly, effectively hit the gunman. Unless someone goes there mentally prepared for a shootout they're going to get rattled more often than not. Fiction is people turning in to hardcore badasses the moment they pull out a gun. |
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| + Pelador | Jun 13 2016, 09:26 PM Post #67 |
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It does indeed take months of training and experience to use a firearm effectively in a dark nightclub with people panicking everywhere and loud music playing. The police and soldiers still end up with collateral damage sometimes as well despite years of training. It's cramped, you have people bumping you, strobe lighting ect. You'd be lucky if you can even remove your weapon from its holster let alone get a clear shot at the target. Oh yeah and without experience the adrenaline is going to make your hand shake like a mother f***er. So yeah lets just give everyone a gun. I'm sure it would turn out just fine. And don't give me that crap about us being like the rest of the animal kingdom. How many animals have you met with a moral code and critical thinking skills? Yes we are obviously animals biologically but socially we are many levels above the rest of them. Edited by Pelador, Jun 13 2016, 09:30 PM.
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Jun 14 2016, 12:39 AM Post #68 |
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I think you all misread or misunderstood my comment. Minimal training is required (like I said, shooting at least once a month at the range), but not military or police training. You have to mentally be prepared to take someones life if you need to defend yourself or others and no amount of training can be substituted for that, but firearms are designed to work even if your palms are sweaty and you have vomit on your sweater already, mom's spaghetti. If you're carrying a gun and not prepared for that possibility, you need to wise up quick. Collateral damage is always a possibility in any scenario regardless even if you're Agent 47 or Forrest Gump, and many police officers in the U.S have less firearm training than actual civilians who shoot for sport. SWAT teams and Federal agents are the exception. Many LEO agencies only require quarterly qualifiers of 50rds or less and the standards aren't set very high for beat cops/patrol cops. I know my local LEO, the LEO in the counties surrounding, and my state LEO do not have much firearm training at all. Edited by Helvius Pertinax Augustus, Jun 14 2016, 12:53 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Jun 14 2016, 09:44 AM Post #69 |
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I thought this was important to bring up. |
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| Know'm Sayin' | Jun 14 2016, 09:47 AM Post #70 |
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His parents could have been just lying about him not being religious, so that the nightclub incident doesn't bring even more shame on their religion of peace. |
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| + Emmeth | Jun 14 2016, 10:01 AM Post #71 |
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The parents could've believed he was religious without lying. He could've been lying to them. |
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| + Pelador | Jun 14 2016, 12:09 PM Post #72 |
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Jun 14 2016, 02:13 PM Post #73 |
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I haven't read the comments in this thread because it's five pages long already, but I was so incredibly sad about this and have been since it happened. Yesterday was so depressing for me, mostly because of all the hatred I've been seeing on social media aimed at both the LGBT community and Islam. I've seen people rallying together for the most bigoted and hateful reasons, like amending religious freedom from the constitution so that Muslims can be "deported," talking about outlawing Islam, or saying that the shooters were justified for ridding the world of so many "perverts and child molesters." Seeing all of that made me sick to my stomach. The shooting in Orlando shouldn't be about Islam OR gun control. It should be about the innocent people who died because of their sexual orientation. Whether the shooter was a Muslim or a Christian, this is a hate crime, and the ignorant people out there who are using this as a catalyst to bash Islam are only succeeding in spreading more hate. Yes, we can use this shooting as an opportunity to discuss gun control and radicalism (if this was in fact done because of religious hate, which at this point is unknown), but this was an act of hatred through and through. Whether that was hatred at the gay community or self-hatred we still don't know, but the fact that this was purposely done against gay people is clear. If you're going to post things like this and think that you can stay friends with me, you're wrong. I won't stand for the negativity, hatred, and ignorance. If you think like this, you clearly don't understand Islam OR Christianity, and you obviously don't have any Muslim friends. You also don't seem to understand how our own constitution works. Our country was founded on religious freedom, and if you don't like that or think that it should change, maybe you should move to a country that doesn't have those basic freedoms and see how you like it there. On a positive note, this event has made me realize how much support there is for the LGBT community and our Muslim American citizens. Even some of my Republican friends have been speaking out about the shooting. Whether or not their intentions are really to help spread awareness about the LGBT community is doubtful, but at least they act like they care. I'm just trying to see the positive in all of this. It's difficult, but I'm trying. |
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| + Steve | Jun 14 2016, 02:54 PM Post #74 |
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Have you seen what Trump said?— Donald J. Trump He uses this to proclaim how right he is, what a f***ing pig. It's absolutely appalling that he was ever even considered as a presidential candidate. At least there's been some positivity though, Muslim people donating blood, LGBT people coming out in order to support the community. It really is sad how people value their right to own lethal weapons more than they do the lives of their own people at the hands of those weapons. Barely any mention of a reform on mental health care either that seems to be of the lowest priority. Even though almost all these shootings are done by home grown Americans. I wonder what happens next? Obama seems pretty serious about getting things changed but he's not President for much longer, hopefully whoever is next actually gives a s*** about the people, not just where they come from, their skin colour or who they lay next to at night. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 14 2016, 03:53 PM Post #75 |
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Am I missing something or does that mean he wasn't homophobic, and the attack was more of a "school shooting" kind of deal, where the attacker targets a place that they know to get revenge on the people there? |
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