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Terrorist attack in Florida
Topic Started: Jun 12 2016, 06:39 PM (4,866 Views)
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You are right. I didn't read carefully enough. You asked if he wasn't an Islamic extremist, would he have had such hatred?

Can anyone possibly know that? Maybe he would if he was a big enough a*****? Maybe he's been brainwashed by an extreme ideology and he was fine before hand? There's no answer to this question.


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Jun 12 2016, 07:08 PM
Seriously, has there actually ever been a story where someone defended themselves successfully with an assault rifle?
Dude, you never know when 30 guys with assault rifles will attack your house and you have to go all John McClane on them and headshot them all. Better to be safe than sorry, happens all the time.


I feel like if this was truly ISIS related at it's core they'd have aimed bigger, why would they attack there and not a political building of some sort? Gays and whatnot are hardly their biggest threat.

Honestly it's probably just as likely he was brainwashed by anti-LGBT media over there than by ISIS but we all know who's going to get the blame anyway.

It's kind of ironic that these things will just make people hate and attack Muslim's within America more, if it's ISIS they are inciting violence against their own people, innocent people.
Hopefully there aren't any misguided attempts at retaliation against innocent Muslim folk that mean no harm.
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Jun 12 2016, 08:16 PM
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Jun 12 2016, 06:42 PM
You're pushing your agenda too, so you can't exactly call the media out on it.
Everyone pushes an agenda ;)
So again I ask: what did you want them to say that they did not?
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Jun 12 2016, 08:32 PM
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Jun 12 2016, 07:08 PM
Seriously, has there actually ever been a story where someone defended themselves successfully with an assault rifle?
Dude, you never know when 30 guys with assault rifles will attack your house and you have to go all John McClane on them and headshot them all. Better to be safe than sorry, happens all the time.


I feel like if this was truly ISIS related at it's core they'd have aimed bigger, why would they attack there and not a political building of some sort? Gays and whatnot are hardly their biggest threat.

Honestly it's probably just as likely he was brainwashed by anti-LGBT media over there than by ISIS but we all know who's going to get the blame anyway.

It's kind of ironic that these things will just make people hate and attack Muslim's within America more, if it's ISIS they are inciting violence against their own people, innocent people.
Hopefully there aren't any misguided attempts at retaliation against innocent Muslim folk that mean no harm.
No one's claiming this is an ISIS planned attack(I hope), but the fact is that this guy did claim allegiance to ISIS, so he drank the Kool-aid at least a little bit. This guy obviously brought into their propaganda enough to swear fealty to them before going on a shooting spree.

So they had some effect on him at least.
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You're pushing your agenda too, so you can't exactly call the media out on it.
Everyone pushes an agenda ;)
So again I ask: what did you want them to say that they did not?
Oh I'll be 100% honest, I don't actually care I just posted this to get a conversation started. They didn't have to use the term "AR-15 styled assault rifle" though.
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Was it not a rifle that looked similar to an AR-15 rifle to those who aren't able to recognise the differences?
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It probably was an AR-15, but AR-15s are not inherently assault rifles because they look scary.
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I have to point something out to you:

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Canada has had 8 mass shootings in 20 years. The US has had 7 since Monday.


To purchase a handgun or other restricted firearm, a person must have a possession and acquisition licence (PAL) for restricted firearms. Canada's federal laws severely restrict the ability of civilians to transport restricted or prohibited (grandfathered) firearms in public.

The United States of America NEEDS to abolish their gun law, more guns will not solve anything. You are hiding behind "private rights" etc, but the matter of the fact is: There's more mass shootings in the USA than ANYWHERE else in the world where's there is no war.

The incident in Florida might be different from other mass shootings in that this time around it is connected to ISIS, but that doesn't change the fact that the Gun Control Policy is massively the reason your country has so many shootings. The answer is not MORE guns, but FEWER guns.
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I agree with you @Emmeth, but the everyone have guns policy does seem to work in Texas. These asshats tried this in Texas and got shot right away and no one was seriously hurt.

Against civilian weapons I usually look to Japan which is serious about gun control. When no one - including the cops - have weapons, you can have a relatively safe society

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Jun 12 2016, 10:11 PM
I agree with you @Emmeth, but the everyone have guns policy does seem to work in Texas. These asshats tried this in Texas and got shot right away and no one was seriously hurt.
How often does that really happen though because there's a mass shooting almost every day and it's very rare that a civilian intervenes and saves the day. Everyone having a gun would be a mess more often than not.

It would only really serve as a deterrent but not to the crazy who don't care about dying or think they're invincible, which most of them seem to be.


Less guns all around would be great for the US, especially if that included cops since it's fair to say a lot of them are way too trigger happy.
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The gun issue isn't simple, even if it seems like it would make sense to have it as such
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I have no idea if these numbers have drastically changed in the last three years, but it would seem that there isn't a direct correlation here when population is adjusted for

Less guns SHOULD by all rights be good, but I'm not entirely sure if it's SURELY going to change the problem
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Restricting guns isn't the answer. Better mental health care, stronger communities and more effective policing from both federal and local law enforcement would help a lot more than limiting or banning guns. How was this man not prevented from doing this? What could have been done? How will it be prevented from happening again? I don't think it's realistic to expect everyone to carry a firearm and such a culture should be avoided. This is not the wild west. In the 21st century we should not need to carry arms like a bunch of Hollywood cowboys. Get to the root on the problem instead.


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The problem is that guns are so ingrained in American culture that you can't simply set them aside and expect everyone to be hunky dory with it.

The American west is truly still a frontier at heart, where people do actually hunt to survive and provide for their families, and we do have large wildlife that can be dangerous. Our constitution allows people to own firearms to make a stand against oppression from the government.

Guns are part of American culture, and there's no way that taking away that right will ever go over well.
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Jun 12 2016, 09:55 PM
It probably was an AR-15, but AR-15s are not inherently assault rifles because they look scary.
Care to remind me what the AR part of the designation means then?

They look similar to M1A1's which ARE assault rifles. You cannot deny it was designed explicitly to look similar to military assault rifles in use currently.
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Anyone know if there are any honest charity cases for this? I would be glad to pitch in a hundred dollars or so.
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