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| Goku9000 | Jun 12 2016, 04:26 PM Post #1 |
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Would Super Perfect Cell be able to fight Base Gotenks (Pre rosat of course), or would Gotenks effortlessly destroy him? This may be a stupid question, if it is then I apologize for the inconvenience lol. |
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| Slifer | Jun 12 2016, 04:36 PM Post #2 |
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Things can get hazy with this. On one hand, Base Gotenks should logically win considering everyone was in awe at his power except Piccolo. I believe Krillin and Roshi even thought he had a chance at beating Boo. Keep in mind this is after Boo's fight with SSJ3 Goku, so everyone has already sensed their powers. And yes, Gotenks/Trunks/Goten aren't the brightest bulbs in the box, but they aren't so stupid that they'd confidently take on Boo after seeing SSJ2 Vegeta get absolutely wrecked by him, unless Gotenks was stronger than Vegeta himself. On the other hand, with a 50x SSJ multiplier, that would make SSJ Gotenks pre over 10x SSJ3 Goku and Fat Boo, which is pretty much absurd. |
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| + Six Trails | Jun 12 2016, 05:04 PM Post #3 |
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I don't think Base Gotenks stands a chance in HFIL here. He would win easily if he was post-ROST however. |
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| + Son-Goku | Jun 12 2016, 05:23 PM Post #4 |
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Cell one shots Gotenks. |
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| EMIYA | Jun 12 2016, 05:39 PM Post #5 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Gotenks: Hey friends! Screw Super Saiyan, even though I'm weaker than Vegeta who got rekt by Boo and I just felt the tremendous power of SSJ3 Goku, I'm going to go out and defeat Majin Boo. Bring the beer and snacks cause once I get back we're having a party! Everyone but Piccolo: You know what...he might do it. And that's why everyone is an idiot and got eaten by Boo. Seriously. if Gotenks is weaker than Majin Vegeta or something, say something. Krillin, you're supposed to amazing at sensing ki. You could instantly tell that Vegeta stood no chance against Cell even though No. 16 was proclaiming Vegeta's absolute victory. Why is it that Piccolo is the only person who tries to make any remark about Gotenks' inferiority? The entire concept around Gotenks being weaker than Vegeta relies on nothing more than making Gotenks and everyone but Piccolo look like morons and amateurs just so we can have some gag scene so Gotenks can come back beaten up. So yes, I think Gotenks would stomp on Cell's head so hard he'd break his nucleus in half. I'd rather believe that Gotenks is stronger than Vegeta but unfortunately is still inferior to Boo, especially considering it was implied that Boo was playing around just as much as SSj3 Goku at the time and there was just underestimation of Boo's power. Than to think anyone actually believed a guy weaker than Vegeta was going to defeat Boo. |
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| Dankness Lava | Jun 12 2016, 06:11 PM Post #6 |
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I think they're around the same level. Even if Gotenks is stronger by a bit, he's really cocky. That, plus Cell's regeneration, leads me to believe that Gotenks would fall. Sure, he was serious against Super Boo, but he had some serious motivating factors, and yet he still failed. Super Boo has better regeneration though. Then again, Cell is also quite cocky. He went up against a Gohan who proved himself a very real threat, and he still thought he was in no danger. Boy, it's a matchup of egos as well as skill and power. I think Gotenks is more arrogant though. There's a lot to consider for this matchup. Should be a good fight, but I'm giving it to Cell. |
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| + Six Trails | Jun 12 2016, 06:38 PM Post #7 |
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Why stop at Majin Vegeta? If Gotenks is weaker than Majin Boo, then why wouldn't anyone besides Piccolo say anything? Krillin is so amazing at sensing Ki, right? Not only that, but everyone on the lookout was under the impression that even SS3 Goku couldn't beat Fat Boo, so for them to think Gotenks has a chance, he must also be stronger than SS3 Goku. The whole "Oh Krillin thought Gotenks could beat Boo" is just a very poor argument. For all we know, Krillin and Yamcha could've expected Gotenks to have a trick up his sleeve, like going Super Saiyan for example, since nobody knew at the time that transforming wasn't possible for Gotenks. |
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| EMIYA | Jun 12 2016, 07:17 PM Post #8 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Nobody believes Gotenks can even go Super Saiyan one he fused. That was the entire thing there. Piccolo wanted him to wait until the fusion wore off so they could try again as Super Saiyans. Instead Gotenks gloats that he doesn't need to such a thing and will defeat Boo as he is. People like Krillin and Yamcha upon hearing this are under the impression that Gotenks is going to fight Boo in his base form and show nothing more than a sort of intense curiosity when Gotenks leaves. Piccolo seems to be the only one who knows Gotenks can't win. Which may make sense. Gotenks could very well be around or in some way coming closer to the Boo and Goku that just fought. He could even be a bit weaker, maybe even significantly so. In a vein similar to Zeta Gohan and Fat Boo. Piccolo from what I remember is the only one who knows Goku was holding back and Gotenks and everyone else only has what the just felt to go on. It wouldn't be surprising at all if Gotenks and everyone else though the latter was hugely powerful (and even Piccolo notes that Gotenks is strong) and they think Gotenks might be a match for Boo. Even if Gotenks happens to be a match for that Boo, he's not match for Boo's full power which as the battle with Goku showed, Boo was fighting no more seriously than Goku. That actually makes perfect sense. Gotenks thinks he's going to fight the Boo that fought Goku but instead fights perhaps a Boo being more serious, plus addition to his own arrogance. Everyone else who just felt this power and felt Gotenks might be under the impression that Gotenks can do the same. Piccolo though, having talked to Goku and realizing that Boo is actually much stronger than they realize, understands the folly of Gotenks and tries to stop him. In short, Fat Boo (Full Power)>Fat Boo (Against Goku)>~Base Gotenks. Plus the gap between Gotenks and Fat Boo (Against Goku) could be potentially be larger as well. |
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| Thiln | Jun 12 2016, 07:23 PM Post #9 |
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I have Gotenks winning this. He did manage to come back from an off-screen showdown with Fat Buu - even if it was humour based in context, he still managed to accomplish more than what SSJ Gohan did. Buu isn't one to allow his enemies to escape if he can help it. For Gotenks to survive an onslaught against him speaks to how he likely measured up. So short of an Instant Transmission Kamehameha somehow obliterating Gotenks or Cell using a Taiyoken + Instant Transmission + Death Beam through the eye socket sort of strategy, he should lose, in my opinion. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Jun 12 2016, 08:56 PM Post #10 |
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Not necessarily so; it could just as well speak for how insignificant Gotenks was. Boo was ordered to kill Gohan, and it wasn't until Vegeta managed to hurt Boo that he seemed intent on killing him. Without being ordered, and without getting upset, he might have just given Gotenks a pounding and gone about his merry way. EMIYA: Krillin and Yamcha inadvertently admit that Gotenk's power isn't up to par, but their confidence stems from Gotenks' own, and so basically think that there might be more to him than his big ego. They're wrong, of course. It's never stated or implied that Boo was holding back in his fight with Goku, either. |
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| EMIYA | Jun 12 2016, 11:08 PM Post #11 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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When do they say that Gotenks' power isn't up to par? At worst they sound questionable, seeming to realize that Gotenks indeed has a great amount of power, but Boo is quite powerful himself. Does Gotenks indeed have enough power to defeat him or is Boo still too much? I still see no reason why Krillin, the guy who literally felt Majin Vegeta get everything he had in vain to defeat Boo, act like Gotenks is going to be doing anything if he was weaker than said Vegeta. So Gotenks was confident? Vegeta was confident in defeating Cell and Krillin wasn't proclaiming his victory. Does Krillin need to get smacked by the enemy before he can actually say, "No man, you got no chance Gotenks, please stop." Krillin's a smart guy, it feels unreasonable for him to give any level of confidence after what he's seen. He should be able to easily say "I don't know, I think even Vegeta was stronger and he died against Boo." It actually is kind of implied Boo was holding back. He was having fun with Goku, finding more enjoyment in the battle than trying to be serious. Plus with the way Boo's power works and how he gets stronger with rage, there's a heavy implication that we don't even see Fat Boo's full power until he releases Aku Boo. The point where all his anger and potential gets released to its limit at the time. Of course he can't handle that and releases it as an evil Boo. While guesswork, that may also be where Goku could finally claim he could actually defeat Fat Boo. Before he was acting as if he still couldn't beat Boo. But now, that he gets to see Fat Boo's limit before releasing Aku Boo, Goku can now realize that if he had gone all out, he'd be able to win. EDIT: I mean what do you do? It's been rung into our heads that an SSJ2 tier character like Goku and Vegeta are no match for Boo. Goten has lost his brother to Boo (who admittedly much weaker than Vegeta) and Trunks lost his father to Boo. They both felt Goku and Vegeta duke it out. They saw Vegeta nearly killed by Boo. They felt SSj3 Goku and Boo duke it out over West City. Trunks was practically there himself. And yet Gotenks, apparently weaker than Vegeta, thinks he's honestly going to take Boo on and most of the people around him are like, sure do your best. It really sounds to me that everyone but Piccolo is just a moron and allowing the one chance they have to defeat Boo, run off and potentially get himself killed. Edited by EMIYA, Jun 12 2016, 11:49 PM.
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| + Sandy Shore | Jun 13 2016, 02:02 PM Post #12 |
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Piccolo outright states that Gotenks isn't powerful enough to beat Boo. Krillin doesn't question Piccolo's assessment, and his belief in Gotenks is not at all related to his power in relation to Boo's. Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P12.5 Context: After Gotenks takes off, saying he'll beat Boo Kuririn: “He-he’s pretty haughty, but just maybe he re-really will be able to take care of [Boo]…” Yamcha: “Ye-yeah…He sure seemed pretty confident…” Krillin and Yamcha are undeniably taken in by his confidence, or attitude. Sure, it's not convenient for them to become such imbeciles—or rather, it's all too convenient—but the fact remains that they do. Though, Krillin does later show a great amount of faith in Goku's faith of fusion, so perhaps factoring in "fusion is the strongest"—Goku said that, right?—along with confidence in Gotenks' confidence, Krillin has allowed himself to dream. The silly boy. Edited by Sandy Shore, Jun 13 2016, 02:04 PM.
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| + Clearin | Jun 13 2016, 05:03 PM Post #13 |
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While everyone except Piccolo does have to be dumb to not immediately shut Gotenks down, they're all dumb regardless of if Gotenks is stronger than SSj2 Vegeta or not. As far as they all know someone would need to be even stronger than SSj3 Goku to have a chance at beating Boo, which base Gotenks is obviously not. Gotenks was obviously far, far below Boo, his comparison to Vegeta isn't really relevant, it's his comparison to Boo himself, and maybe SSj3 Goku that the characters should be focusing on, and they're all stupid for not realising that Gotenks was weaker. |
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| Dougla$ | Jun 13 2016, 05:40 PM Post #14 |
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Base Gotenks did at least hold his own against Fat Buu (it's been awhile since I've seen that fight; so he may not have done as well as I remember) so I'm sure he could defeat Ultra Perfect Cell. Cell would put up a good fight though, I would expect Gotenks to get scuffed up a bit, but would eventually win. |
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