SSjB weaker than SSjG?

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SSjB weaker than SSjG?
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Dankness Lava	Jun 12 2016, 12:11 AM Post #1
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Is it possible? It would make the story make much more sense if so. SSjB and Godbase could be much weaker and that's why KKx10 is apparently weaker than the gods.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 12 2016, 12:38 AM Post #2
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	The narrator says that Super Saiyan Blue is stronger than Super Saiyan God.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 12 2016, 02:14 AM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	That would go against everything said. The power beyond that of a Super Saiyan God and the exact name Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan alone proves its stronger by saying it's another level beyond.
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FutureSaiyan	Jun 13 2016, 02:18 AM Post #4
Posts: 924 Group: Member Member #11,997 Joined: January 18, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Naruto, Bleach, AoT, Death Note, FMAB Favourite Manga DBZ	I think Akira/DBS writers just decided Goku was to near Beerus too soon so they scrapped the idea that SSG Goku was 70% of Beerus. The consistancy isnt really there though because he'd have to be lower than 10% of Beerus as a SSB for kkx10 to still be weaker, which obviously also isnt plausible.



highwaysaiyan	Jun 14 2016, 11:15 PM Post #5
Posts: 335 Group: Member Member #12,757 Joined: November 11, 2015	Darkness Flame Jun 12 2016, 12:11 AM Is it possible? It would make the story make much more sense if so. SSjB and Godbase could be much weaker and that's why KKx10 is apparently weaker than the gods. again this argument... i never really understood that approach of ssb (super saiyan god super saiyan) is weaker then super saiyan god. it just doesnt make sense. and it was mentioned like 100 times by many different characters ssb is stronger and on another level. and the reason the gods are stronger than ssbkkx10 is because they are ridiculously strong. stronger than we ever imagined.



Tinny	Jun 14 2016, 11:18 PM Post #6
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Beerus said he used ten percent on angry ssj2 Vegeta, the idea that ssjgssj Goku isn't even 10% of Beerus's pet is flat out insane if we believe that Beerus isn't a compulsive liar.
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highwaysaiyan	Jun 14 2016, 11:41 PM Post #7
Posts: 335 Group: Member Member #12,757 Joined: November 11, 2015	Tinny Jun 14 2016, 11:18 PM Beerus said he used ten percent on angry ssj2 Vegeta, the idea that ssjgssj Goku isn't even 10% of Beerus's pet is flat out insane if we believe that Beerus isn't a compulsive liar. i dont see a reason for him to lie there, but who knows, he isnt the god of truth and justice... like someone above said, its possible they just dropped that whole assessment from previous sagas. and back at the beginning Toriyama said he has no intention of making goku stronger than beerus. ever. but anyway i still claim the numbers scale isnt literal. meaning 6 isnt equal to 60% of 10. 6 is just a level that is extremely lower than 10. i think every 0.1 makes a HUGE difference. meaning kkx10 doesnt make goku from 8 to 80, it makes him from 8 to 8.2 or something like that. but thats my stance.



Tinny	Jun 15 2016, 12:31 AM Post #8
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	highwaysaiyan Jun 14 2016, 11:41 PM Tinny Jun 14 2016, 11:18 PM Beerus said he used ten percent on angry ssj2 Vegeta, the idea that ssjgssj Goku isn't even 10% of Beerus's pet is flat out insane if we believe that Beerus isn't a compulsive liar. i dont see a reason for him to lie there, but who knows, he isnt the god of truth and justice... like someone above said, its possible they just dropped that whole assessment from previous sagas. and back at the beginning Toriyama said he has no intention of making goku stronger than beerus. ever. but anyway i still claim the numbers scale isnt literal. meaning 6 isnt equal to 60% of 10. 6 is just a level that is extremely lower than 10. i think every 0.1 makes a HUGE difference. meaning kkx10 doesnt make goku from 8 to 80, it makes him from 8 to 8.2 or something like that. but thats my stance. Ha! Ain't that the truth, the man makes Kira look like Pinocchio. They shouldn't have made those assessments if they were just gonna drop it later honestly. They've made them however and now all the gods look like liars. Naw I get that, at first I figured 10 was just shorthand for a really huge number, meaning that their gains (which I'm gonna assume don't multiply them) don't necessarily have then busting through the ranks. Kkx10 throws that out the window. There is no scale honestly, it's a bunch of question marks and we have no idea how anyone compares to anyone. Heck Base Goku is weaker than ssj Vegeta but stronger than ssjgssj Vegeta. Just how. How. This is taking writing by the seat of their pants to a new level.
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lazerbem	Jun 15 2016, 12:37 AM Post #9
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jun 12 2016, 12:38 AM The narrator says that Super Saiyan Blue is stronger than Super Saiyan God. To be fair, the narrator is a bit of a liar
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lazerbem	Jun 18 2016, 05:54 PM Post #10
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Bumping this thread due to bizarre stuff in the manga. It's almost too much to go through, but key points include Super Saiyan God being an intermediate between SSJ and Bluper Saiyan that Goku actually transforms into. Also, Goku never uses Kaioken in the manga and instead pops through the time skip via using SSJG or Bluper Saiyan depending on the level of improvement. Also, Goku quits the fight right after his Kamehameha in Bluper Saiyan fails against Hit. Why? Because apparently Bluper Saiyan has stamina issues that make Golden Freeza look like a paragon of endurance. According to one translation, Vegeta does worse than Goku because he was already tired from transforming into Bluper Saiyan against Cabba Edited by lazerbem, Jun 18 2016, 05:58 PM.
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ekrolo2	Jun 21 2016, 12:31 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	lazerbem Jun 18 2016, 05:54 PM Bumping this thread due to bizarre stuff in the manga. It's almost too much to go through, but key points include Super Saiyan God being an intermediate between SSJ and Bluper Saiyan that Goku actually transforms into. Also, Goku never uses Kaioken in the manga and instead pops through the time skip via using SSJG or Bluper Saiyan depending on the level of improvement. Also, Goku quits the fight right after his Kamehameha in Bluper Saiyan fails against Hit. Why? Because apparently Bluper Saiyan has stamina issues that make Golden Freeza look like a paragon of endurance. According to one translation, Vegeta does worse than Goku because he was already tired from transforming into Bluper Saiyan against Cabba Blue doesn't sap power by staying into it, Blue saps power because, in the manga, it lets you power up to an incredible level of strength that's fine on your body while you stay in it but causes massive drawbacks if you power down then try to power back up right after. Toyotaro basically gave regular Blue, Blue KKs functionality: while you're in it, your power is great but once you power down, expect to take a hit for going past your limits like that. A change I prefer to the anime retconning SS Gold so Blue can look more special by comparison. It also adds more room for growth with the God transformations where as the anime making it perfect just leaves them with either stacking up more powers ups on top of it or more transformations. Goku also doesn't quit because Blue's breaking his stamina balls, he quits for a similar reason as to the anime: Hit's an assassin but he can't truly go all out because of the tournaments rules so he so they can fight fully all out another time.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 21 2016, 04:36 PM Post #12
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