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GT Pan vs SS2 Buu Saga Goku
Topic Started: Jun 7 2016, 04:26 PM (2,277 Views)
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Jun 8 2016, 12:34 AM
The problem with her not being Ultimate Boo tier is that Gohan in the Baby arc was stated to be stronger than his Boo arc self, and Rild was stated to be stronger than Boo and was complimented by Goku for beng so powerful. Well Baby arc Base Goku is stronger than SSJ Baby Gohan, so Base Rild has to be stronger than Ultimate Boo and Pan was able to knock him back, so she has to be at least Ultimate Boo tier.
But at the same time she was knocked out by SSJ Gohan's ki blast, the same SSJ Gohan that would get annihalited by SSJ Vegito.

I am not sure wether she can beat Buuhan or not, maybe she can, maybe not, but one thing I know for sure is that she is not even close to SSJ Vegito.
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And that's a Gohan who is loads stronger than his Boo arc self, and he should be Ultimate Boo tier as well, so it does make sense for him being able to do that.
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Jun 8 2016, 12:37 AM
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It's not far-fetched to believe Evil Dragon arc Pan could beat SS Vegetto. It really depends on how strong you have base Goku at the time, since the two were basically a tag team against everyone until San Xing Long came into the picture where Super Saiyan 4 was needed.
Base Goku from the Shadow dragons was at the very best around 30% of SSJ Vegito in my opinion.

I cant see him beating base Baby Vegeta while some months ago his was owned even as a SSJ3. He got more powerful in the SD, but not SSJ Vegito tier.

Pan doesnt come close the base Goku. She is outmatched.
That's your opinion, which is fine. I myself am not saying she could beat SS Vegetto, just that it isn't completely impossible.

As for Pan comparing to Goku, what makes you believe that? They were both laughing at the same opponents, and Pan's power was enough to make a disheartened SS4 Goku vulnerable. They don't have to be equals, but I can't see there being a ginormous gap, otherwise Goku shouldn't have had problems with the same people Pan had problems with.
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Jun 8 2016, 12:41 AM
And that's a Gohan who is loads stronger than his Boo arc self, and he should be Ultimate Boo tier as well, so it does make sense for him being able to do that.
Nah, he really isnt that much stronger. Maybe his SSJ form, but his base form was owned by base Rildo.

SBV1> SSJ Vegito> base Baby Vegeta> SSJ Gohan (GT)> base Rildo> Buuhan> base Gohan (GT)> Mystic Gohan.
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He wasn't owned by Rild. He was holding his own just fine until his arm was metalized.
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Base Rild prevented Gohan from using an amp attack, which means that would've been a problem...so they're not that far apart.
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I just rewatched the fight again. Rildo was not even trying, and Gohan was clearly losing...
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Gohan got knocked back...hardly struggling, then goes to charge an amp attack and Rild instantly hits Gohan with his metal beam...that doesn't seem dominant to me, that looks more like Rild trying to save his butt. Yes after that Rild dominated the fight, but Gohan's arm was metal.
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Gohan got knocked back...hardly struggling, then goes to charge an amp attack and Rild instantly hits Gohan with his metal beam...that doesn't seem dominant to me, that looks more like Rild trying to save his butt. Yes after that Rild dominated the fight, but Gohan's arm was metal.
Amp attacks can give problems even if you are a lot weaker.
Look at Vegeta's final flash against Perfect Cell. If it werent for Cell's regeneration he would have losed his arm and half of his torso.
Also when Perfect Cell used a big kamehameha against SSJ2 Gohan, Gohan charged a big kamehameha to deflect it instead of using his arm or feet (simular like SSJ4 Gogeta and base Vegito did) to deflect it.
The same with dragon fist. When Goku used it he was maybe like 10x weaker then Omega Shenron yet Shenron's regeneration saved his butt.

It doesnt give me enough evidence that base Gohan is in the same tier as base Rildo.
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So, you're saying Gohan is weaker because he was getting dominated after his arm was turned to metal.

That's pretty weak.
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Jun 8 2016, 01:05 AM
So, you're saying Gohan is weaker because he was getting dominated after his arm was turned to metal.

That's pretty weak.
No, you can see if you look at the beginning of the fight. Rildo throws Gohan very hard and Gohan falls to a plate, Rildo is laughing and enjoying this fight while Gohan doesnt look very happy and even a bit worried. When Gohan tries to use a amp attack Rildo acts way too fast for Gohan to react and his arm is turned to metal.

Rildo was clearly superior in this fight.
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Actually, Gohan looked more surprised than anything else when Rild fired his beam...you know since he hadn't seen anything like that before.

Being shocked over an attack he hasn't seen before doesn't confirm he's inferior. If anything the fact that Gohan was able to take every hit Rild threw at him after metal arm says a lot about where Gohan is in power.
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We watched the same fight, we came to different conclusions. It didn't look to me like Gohan was being owned at all. Inferior, sure, but outright owned...nah, I'm not convinced of that at all.

It also wouldn't sense for base Gohan to still be inferior to Rild when he's implied to be stronger than Oob during the S17 fight.
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I didnt see Gohan give any difficulties or any hits in the whole fight against Rildo. Until Gohan does I have him below base Rildo, and also below Buuhan. But like you said, our opinions are different, and I respect that.
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Goku would one shot pan with ease. Even Base Goku would.
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