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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jun 3 2016, 04:57 AM Post #76 |
 
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Well I do agree that super hasn't been the best show but why can't I be optimistic? We've seen black goku's face... That's it. No story. No full design. That's it. Calm down. I know having really high expectations is unrealistic but I'm not going to be pessimistic and piss myself off after seeing a teaser. Not everyone hates super. In fact more and more people on this forum are liking it iirc I'm not being overly optimistic. I legit like the teaser. Idk what people hate about it |
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| Saberoph | Jun 3 2016, 05:12 AM Post #77 |
 
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I'm willing to forgive the unoriginal look he has as long as his personality makes up for it. He needs to be a true psychopath, but please let him be intelligent and truly menacing too. Just don't make the same mistake that was made with Broli, someone who was crazy but ended up being an idiot instead of being more fleshed out. His fighting style needs to be different too, make him completely unpredictable and can't be reasoned with. Just please don't have him be possessed or forced into a situation to where he doesn't have a choice and that's why he's doing this...please, for the love of God don't go down that road. Please make him legit and truly scary. Spoiler: click to toggle Could this Evil Goku/Kakarrot be Super's version of Demigra? I hope not, but could it be possible? |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 3 2016, 05:25 AM Post #78 |
 
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It's not so much the fact that it exists, it's almost entirely what they're going to do with it, how they'll explain it, what this character will do, and which of the relevant characters will get stomped on more to make good Goku seem more like a mary sue than before. That's what I don't like about this entire thing. That, plus the horrible track-record Super has, the fact that it was only until near the end of the U6 arc that we actually got an actually good fighting episode for once (Episode 39 I think it was). But then that entire arc served as nothing more than a pointless meeting of two universes for some bigger tournament where something relevant might happen. Seriously what was the point of the U6 arc? To introduce us to Hit? Champa and Vados? If the thing with 72 episodes is true, then the U6 arc literally wasted a good amount of time the series had that could've been spent perhaps thinking this upcoming arc through and THEN maybe a 12 universe tournament. But now they're going to need to cram this all into what? 25 episodes? The U6 arc was literally a waste of space that takes away potential buildup time for Evil Goku (if they decide to do anything cool with him) The entire arc of U6 served to do nothing more than show that Goku and Vegeta are supah powerful, kind of smush any push that Piccolo might've had, not really make us care for much of any of the U6 contestants aside from Hit (what's the best characterization of any character of U6? Magetta? That's not characterization, I can f***ing do that by writing a random mook in an RP post that's sensitive to insults. Hell, that was done with Janemba wasn't it?), and show that Goku is ultimately da best at da battles and then throw in a horribly contrived "oh but it messed up my ki pushing myself like this and predicting attacks..." Yeah, as if that makes any goddamn sense when he's pushed himself FAR beyond what we saw. To the point that his body was more or less falling apart on him. So, sorry if I'm not exactly hyped or looking forward to this. Super has given me no reason to, especially if it ends up being yet another pointless arc in which no one learns from their mistakes and Goku ultimately never evolves as a character. Which from the way Super's writers have made it to where no one calls Goku out on his homicidal tendencies, isn't exactly out of the realm of possibility. BTW this isn't harsh criticism, this is simply being realistic. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jun 3 2016, 05:32 AM.
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Jun 3 2016, 05:51 AM Post #79 |
 
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Interesting design for Goku. It's not that bad but I will have to see the full design to reach a conclusion. What's also gripping is that Mai is in this picture. I wonder how Future Trunks, especially if it's the Cell Arc Trunks, will get to know about Mai and how they would meet up. Also, what would be the relation between them and stuff like that. Anyways, moving on to the main focus that is Black Goku. I guess the million dollar questions are, Who really is this Black Goku? If he is truly the real Goku himself then how did he turn evil?. Also, I wonder how they are going to Portray him in terms of his personality and demeanor. Like what type of dialogs would he be given, what motivations would he be embedded with and how he would react with the present Z warriors. I guess, we will just have to wait and see. But, knowing Toriyama I know it's not gonna be dark,serious and twisted at all. Although, I do kinda wish it would be a bit serious,dark and intense like Z but I feel like for Super he should avoid making it serious. It would just disrupt the current flow. But, I am pretty sure he won't make it that bleak and serious because he hates doing them anyways. I also have a hunch that Vegeta will probably be the one to defeat this Black Goku. It's probably gonna come down like this, Goku would fight Black Goku first. And they both would be evenly matched in terms of skills and technique but the kicker here would be that Black Goku would still be stronger than Goku. So, in the end Goku would lose. Vegeta would step in then and eventually defeat him(most likely with a power-up/transformation). (Also, crazy thought, if this is in fact not the Cell/Android Arc Future Trunks but is the current Trunks and Black Goku actually turned out to be Goten.) |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jun 3 2016, 05:57 AM Post #80 |
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I don't blame you for having low expectations. I know how annoying it is when they mess up gokus character. I hate that. I'm just trying to save us the negativity and help people enjoy the series for what it is |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 3 2016, 06:06 AM Post #81 |
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I'm going to be honest, I was cool with Goku before Super. But when Super rolled around and how it'd being taughted as canon and whatnot, I've actually started hating Goku with a passion. But I live by a quote from one of my favorite video game characters, it helps pretty well and honestly it's gotten me through a lot of s***. "Reality isn't so kind. Everything doesn't work out the way you want it to. That's why... As long as you don’t get your hopes up, you can take anything... You feel less pain." Granted, I don't feel any sort of pain as a result of Super's butchering of characters, but you get the gist of it. |
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| Saberoph | Jun 3 2016, 06:09 AM Post #82 |
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I live my life by that too...it's a really good way to be. I'm with you, with as much as Super has screwed up and contradicted...it deserves the hate and criticisms it gets. |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 3 2016, 06:34 AM Post #83 |
 
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More people are liking it because it actually started to be its own thing rather than a repeat of the movies. At least that's my take on the small turnaround. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 3 2016, 12:32 PM Post #84 |
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I think the problem with Goku in this series is that Toei has taken Toriyama's Goku and accentuated the negative aspects of his character. Seriously, he's exceedingly less intelligent than he was before and far more selfish than he was previously. |
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| + Clearin | Jun 3 2016, 01:48 PM Post #85 |
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Toriyama once said that he was dissatisfied with the heroic way the anime portrayed Goku, so it's possible that Toei tried to fix that.
Toriyama has also often said that Goku cares about nothing more than fighting and getting stronger, in fact he even once implied that Goku wasn't a good guy:
Toei seems to be taken these comments at face value. Unfortunately, I don't think Toriyama intended for those comments to be taken as literally as that. Goku has made some stupid decisions due to his love of fighting (letting characters like Vegeta and Piccolo live), but he's always still been the kind of guy who would divert a battle away from populous areas in order to avoid anyone getting hurt. Now he doesn't seem to give a s*** about collateral damage. Edited by Clearin, Jun 3 2016, 01:48 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 3 2016, 02:17 PM Post #86 |
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They without a doubt tried to correct their portrayal of Goku, but they over-corrected. |
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| + Solid Snake | Jun 3 2016, 03:53 PM Post #87 |
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Anyway, if this is indeed Black "Goku", I wonder if his soul was manipulated back in other world by the opposite of the Omni-King or possibly Dimigra via Towa and Mira? Black "Goku" is probably referencing Time Breaker Bardock if I gotta be honest. Them earrings likely gotta be the reason he's the way he is now (akin to his dad being controlled through a mask). |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 3 2016, 07:13 PM Post #88 |
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It's almost like he's an entirely different person, I've seen that argument being used against Goku in the Boo arc (although it's actually by people who unknowingly make it so by trying to make him stronger, and in the process make Goku clinically insane) but atleast he still had those traits we know of. Super is like an impersonation of Goku brought to the extreme TFS style. |
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| Tinny | Jun 3 2016, 07:39 PM Post #89 |
 
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@Ultimecia I do find it darkly humorous that a (troll) thread has gone from most disagreeing or pointing out how that's good with a few exceptions here and there, to people unironically agreeing. I wouldn't say it's an entirely different person, but it reads like a Superman fanboy's reading of Goku at times (not a Superman fan, I like Superman quite a bit myself, I mean the stupid ones from pre-death battle). In fact it kind of is that...
A guy with this as an avatar  Is now entirely right in his assertion, actually no, he's really giving Goku the benefit of the doubt by not saying that he'd let you die so he can test out a technique instead of fighting. This is why I want 'Black Goku' to turn out to be uncomfortably close to what Goku is right now, perhaps even just plain him in the future. So he can actually look at himself and realize what he did wrong, and to change so he doesn't end up like him. Mind I'm again 80% sure this is just to reuse animation and just change the colors of the clothes and to have Goku be the only one to win in the end, as well as put him yet another pedestal. Seriously he gets ssjg, then he gets to end Freeza, then he performs better in base form than Vegeta can do in ssjgssj form, I'm pretty sure by the end it's gonna come down to Goku. And I'm honestly not expecting anything dark considering the direction Super goes for in general and its newest character sounding like a five year old child, nor is it easy to have stakes when you have Whis existing. Edited by Tinny, Jun 3 2016, 07:40 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 3 2016, 07:45 PM Post #90 |
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Boo arc Goku is a saint compared to Super Goku. Yes, his scuffle with Vegeta ultimately resulted in Boo's release, however, I'd argue he withheld Super Saiyan 3 because he was trying to reason with Vegeta. As for Goku putting Earth in the hands of Goten and Trunks, yeah, not one of his better decisions, but Goku has always been naive, and Piccolo was there to make sure they didn't fall out of line. Goku in Super on the other hand is more than willing to put people in harms way for the sake of a challenge, and feels no remorse as a result. Seriously, how many planets with life on them were destroyed by his scuffle with Beerus. Goku is a god damn sociopath in Super. I at least got a hint of compassion from Goku in the manga. I don't feel any of that here. |
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