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Jun 2 2016, 10:00 PM Post #46 |
 
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@He doesn't, but Goku should still have a body, and he could very easily contact Trunks through Kaio with the information. That's one way to look at it. But, I don't think Goku did retained his body in the original timeline after his died due to the heart virus. Also, I am pretty sure Goku has already moved on from the 'Other World' in Future Trunks Timeline, 13+ years after his death. Because, if he could just communicate via King Kai then he could have contacted Future Gohan long back and informed him about Namek and the ROSAT. Also, even if Goku was with King Kai, I am pretty sure Goku was not allowed to communicate with them. So, either way Future Trunks can not get to the New Namek location. The only way he could probably get the coordinates is by going back again in Time and asking Goku for the location. But, that could complicate things and disturb the timelines. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 2 2016, 10:05 PM Post #47 |
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Why wouldn't Goku keep his body tho? He saved the universe from Freeza and his father in the future. There's also Piccolo, who should still have a body, and he knows about the ROSAT, but then, I suppose that could be God's knowledge... who should also have his body in the Next World, so never mind.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jun 2 2016, 10:08 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Jun 2 2016, 10:38 PM Post #48 |
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There's no reason Trunks couldn't have tried to contact Kaio after returning to his own time. He has the knowledge about Kaio, New Namek and the Dragon Balls there, so he could easily try to do something with that information after dealing with the Androids and Cell. |
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Jun 2 2016, 10:53 PM Post #49 |
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@He saved the universe from Freeza and his father in the future. Well, not really. The universe was never really in danger (or at least most of the higher echelons in DB universe knew about it.). Goku just freed certain parts of the universe from what appeared to be a space hitler/dictator/mob/mafia which in fact turned out to be nothing more than a puppet/pawn/spectre belonging to a certain group within the brass. And whose role was nothing more than doing the grunt's work of the brass. Of course, Frieza being Freiza didn't mind it all. As it also gave him the chance to d*** around with the weak. @There's no reason Trunks couldn't have tried to contact Kaio after returning to his own time. He has the knowledge about Kaio, New Namek and the Dragon Balls there, so he could easily try to do something with that information after dealing with the Androids and Cell. Yes he knows about all that. But, he can not communicate with King Kai unless he is allowed or has special permission. Also, trunks doesn't have the coordinates to New Namek. Normal people can not communicate with the 'Other World' just like that. Other World has a set of protocols which all of them have to abide. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jun 2 2016, 11:00 PM Post #50 |
 
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Trunks wouldn't have to actually go to New Namek. Goku could just ask the Namekians to do it for them. It's hard to believe King Kai would just fall silent. He was fond of the people from Earth, he trained them and seemed genuinely concerned for their safety against the saiyans and Freeza, why wouldn't he contact Trunks or even Gohan himself even without Goku's insistence and help them out? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jun 2 2016, 11:01 PM Post #51 |
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Goku's done enough good to warrant getting a body in Otherworld. He saved the Earth from Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta and the PTO, as well as the entire Galaxy. They were a threat, and killing them was a service to the entire Universe. That's never stopped Kaio before, and I don't see why Goku wouldn't be checking in on Earth, especially considering the fact that Chi-Chi was still there. Gohan was the protector of the Earth for over a decade and I'm sure he's saved lives, so it's not a stretch to say that he should have a body too, in which case he would definitely check in on Trunks. Nobody knew where New Namek was, so the thought of asking Kaio may have never occurred to them, but once Trunks is back and makes it clear that New Namek can help, I've no doubt that Gohan would convince Kaio to tell them the location. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 2 2016, 11:12 PM Post #52 |
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That's a fair point... |
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| Timothy | Jun 2 2016, 11:21 PM Post #53 |
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He's wearing green earings like Demigra and trunks has his xenoverse sweater |
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Jun 2 2016, 11:29 PM Post #54 |
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@Goku's done enough good to warrant getting a body in Otherworld. He saved the Earth from Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta and the PTO, as well as the entire Galaxy. They were a threat, and killing them was a service to the entire Universe. True Goku's has done a lot of good deeds. But, it doesn't work like that. As you can see during buu saga Goku even after he has done so many good deeds by that time still only gets 1 day to go back to earth. Even going back for 1 day was also very hard to convince the higher ups. It also required a lot of recommendations from others. In other words, the 'Other World' doesn't determine whether you get revived or not based on how many 'good deeds' you have done. And like I said before they have their own set of protocols for things like that. @That's never stopped Kaio before, and I don't see why Goku wouldn't be checking in on Earth, especially considering the fact that Chi-Chi was still there. Gohan was the protector of the Earth for over a decade and I'm sure he's saved lives, so it's not a stretch to say that he should have a body too, in which case he would definitely check in on Trunks. Nobody knew where New Namek was, so the thought of asking Kaio may have never occurred to them, but once Trunks is back and makes it clear that New Namek can help, I've no doubt that Gohan would convince Kaio to tell them the location. Lot of assumptions. Goku and the other were bought to king kai's planet so that they could become strong and train. Even though Future Gohan died protecting the earth he has no reason to stay with king kai. He was already strong by then and king kai's so called 'training' would be of no help. The only reason King allowed Goku after his death at the end of cell arc was because King Kai and Goku knew each other for quite sometime and Goku was his true successor and disciple. So, Future Gohan and rest of the Z warriors who died eventually moved on from the 'Other World' or were busy with other tasks related to the Other World due to their good deeds. So, they had no reason to stay with King Kai and vice versa. @It's hard to believe King Kai would just fall silent. He was fond of the people from Earth, he trained them and seemed genuinely concerned for their safety against the saiyans and Freeza, why wouldn't he contact Trunks or even Gohan himself even without Goku's insistence and help them out? Sucks, but Rules are Rules. Well at least that isthe case if he doesn't want to loose his Job. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 2 2016, 11:37 PM Post #55 |
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It does work like that. Doing good deeds and being a good person is what allows one to keep their body in the Next World. |
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Jun 2 2016, 11:41 PM Post #56 |
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Yeah that's mostly true. But, what I meant was communication and going back to living world. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 2 2016, 11:49 PM Post #57 |
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What does Goku's ability to return to Earth for one day have to do with everyone's ability to use Kaio's ability to communicate to people in the living world? Yamcha and Piccolo both used Kaio's ability to communicate with Goku and Bulma. No rules regarding contact with the lower realm have been established. Yeah, you could argue they exist to make the Artificial Human Arc more sensible, but that's all just head-canon. |
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Jun 3 2016, 12:10 AM Post #58 |
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It's not that they can not communicate. They all can via king kai but they are not really allowed to do so. Also, the thing is after the Z warriors got killed by the androids in the original timeline what makes you sure that they all went to king kai's planet? Other than probably Goku, the rest of them really have no reason to stay with king kai or go to King Kai. I mean ask yourself this, during the 7 years gap between the end of cell arc and start of buu arc if dead people with very good deeds were allowed to communicate then why doesn't Goku communicate with his family at least once during the 7 years gap? He gets the permission to communicate with them only after he gets the permission to back to the earth for 1 day. |
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| LukeKubs | Jun 3 2016, 12:12 AM Post #59 |
 
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Wasn't there something about how Goku can't be revived because he died of natural causes? |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 3 2016, 12:21 AM Post #60 |
 
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That's actually in-character for Goku. If you look at the end of Z, Bulma complained that Goku hadn't visited her even once in (I believe) 5 years. Goku is just that way. He didn't have reason to contact the living during those 7 years because it was in the hands of Gohan, who he thought was still at the top of his game; it's only after witnessing Gohan's power firsthand that Goku realized he hadn't been keeping up, and that also proved Goku hadn't even been peaking in for some years. As for Kaio, you'd think if the characters had a way to communicate with the living and help them out, they'd take it rather than going straight to wherever it is dead heroes go. We're never given a prohibition for Kaio's communication. Really, Kaio's ability to communicate between realms is a plot device that backfired in this case. I believe that was the reason given. Edited by Pyrus, Jun 3 2016, 12:22 AM.
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