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Goku Black Revealed ***Spoilers***
Topic Started: Jun 2 2016, 08:57 AM (22,264 Views)
+ Yusuke Jun 2 2016, 07:07 PM Post #31
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 Reminds me from back in the day when I had an idea for an "Evil Goku" Arc. In hindsight it was pretty terrible so I bet this would be better than what I had in mind even if this Arc turns out to be bad as well.
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* Ketchup Revenge Jun 2 2016, 08:22 PM Post #32
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

 I'm honestly thinking that this is a different Trunks than the one in the Android/Cell Arc.
The whole Mai thing in the poster wouldn't make any sense for the Future Trunks we saw in DBZ. Her existence, especially in a body where her and Trunks are roughly the same age, is in a completely different reality than Future Trunks (from Cell Arc), and she was likely killed by 17 and 18 in Trunks's time.

The whole theory about Goku being resurrected for Boo doesn't make sense either because Boo likely didn't exist in Trunks's time. There's not enough people on Earth for a ressurrection, and Trunks himself likely wouldn't be strong enough to supply the ki needed since his main focus likely would've been rebuilding Earth and not training vigourously.
In addition to this, Goku's been dead too long by the time of Boo for Shenlong to resurrect him.

And to explain this theory that this is actually a different Future Trunks, we've seen other versions of Trunks being able to exist in different time tangents. It doesn't have to be the same one that we've seen.
There was a version of Trunks who was killed by Cell, after all. It was a different one from the one who dies against Cell at the Cell Games.

So when Toriyama states that we will see Future Trunks again, he doesn't say it's the same one that we saw in DBZ. They'd technically both be "Future Trunks", so he wouldn't actually be lying.
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* Yu Narukami Jun 2 2016, 08:33 PM Post #33
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I'm honestly thinking that this is a different Trunks than the one in the Android/Cell Arc.
The whole Mai thing in the poster wouldn't make any sense for the Future Trunks we saw in DBZ. Her existence, especially in a body where her and Trunks are roughly the same age, is in a completely different reality than Future Trunks (from Cell Arc), and she was likely killed by 17 and 18 in Trunks's time.

The whole theory about Goku being resurrected for Boo doesn't make sense either because Boo likely didn't exist in Trunks's time. There's not enough people on Earth for a ressurrection, and Trunks himself likely wouldn't be strong enough to supply the ki needed since his main focus likely would've been rebuilding Earth and not training vigourously.
In addition to this, Goku's been dead too long by the time of Boo for Shenlong to resurrect him.

And to explain this theory that this is actually a different Future Trunks, we've seen other versions of Trunks being able to exist in different time tangents. It doesn't have to be the same one that we've seen.
There was a version of Trunks who was killed by Cell, after all. It was a different one from the one who dies against Cell at the Cell Games.

So when Toriyama states that we will see Future Trunks again, he doesn't say it's the same one that we saw in DBZ. They'd technically both be "Future Trunks", so he wouldn't actually be lying.
It wouldn't be 'Future Trunks' though. Why would he say that we're seeing Future Trunks again if it's essentially a different character? Even though he may look like the Trunks we know and have experiences similar to the Trunks we know, it wouldn't be the Trunks we know, and any connection with the viewer or the rest of the characters would be lost completely.

That Trunks would be similar to the Trunks we know anyway, so if Mai can survive in another timeline, I don't see why she couldn't survive in the Original Timeline of the Trunks we know.
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* Ketchup Revenge Jun 2 2016, 08:46 PM Post #34
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Jun 2 2016, 08:33 PM
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Jun 2 2016, 08:22 PM
I'm honestly thinking that this is a different Trunks than the one in the Android/Cell Arc.
The whole Mai thing in the poster wouldn't make any sense for the Future Trunks we saw in DBZ. Her existence, especially in a body where her and Trunks are roughly the same age, is in a completely different reality than Future Trunks (from Cell Arc), and she was likely killed by 17 and 18 in Trunks's time.

The whole theory about Goku being resurrected for Boo doesn't make sense either because Boo likely didn't exist in Trunks's time. There's not enough people on Earth for a ressurrection, and Trunks himself likely wouldn't be strong enough to supply the ki needed since his main focus likely would've been rebuilding Earth and not training vigourously.
In addition to this, Goku's been dead too long by the time of Boo for Shenlong to resurrect him.

And to explain this theory that this is actually a different Future Trunks, we've seen other versions of Trunks being able to exist in different time tangents. It doesn't have to be the same one that we've seen.
There was a version of Trunks who was killed by Cell, after all. It was a different one from the one who dies against Cell at the Cell Games.

So when Toriyama states that we will see Future Trunks again, he doesn't say it's the same one that we saw in DBZ. They'd technically both be "Future Trunks", so he wouldn't actually be lying.
It wouldn't be 'Future Trunks' though. Why would he say that we're seeing Future Trunks again if it's essentially a different character? Even though he may look like the Trunks we know and have experiences similar to the Trunks we know, it wouldn't be the Trunks we know, and any connection with the viewer or the rest of the characters would be lost completely.

That Trunks would be similar to the Trunks we know anyway, so if Mai can survive in another timeline, I don't see why she couldn't survive in the Original Timeline of the Trunks we know.
Then the entire Mai thing would make no sense at all though if it's the Trunks from the Android arc.
And any theory to how they ended up meeting up (and she was around his age) is extremely far-fetched and really doesn't make any sense at all either.

And Mai only exists in the regular time line because she was resurrected with the Namekian Dragon Balls after Boo killed everyone.

Even if she did survive the Android onslaught, it still doesn't explain how she is Trunks's age because the Dragon Balls didn't exist in Trunks's time because Piccolo was dead, and had been for years.
Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 2 2016, 08:49 PM.
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* Yu Narukami Jun 2 2016, 08:48 PM Post #35
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I'm honestly thinking that this is a different Trunks than the one in the Android/Cell Arc.
The whole Mai thing in the poster wouldn't make any sense for the Future Trunks we saw in DBZ. Her existence, especially in a body where her and Trunks are roughly the same age, is in a completely different reality than Future Trunks (from Cell Arc), and she was likely killed by 17 and 18 in Trunks's time.

The whole theory about Goku being resurrected for Boo doesn't make sense either because Boo likely didn't exist in Trunks's time. There's not enough people on Earth for a ressurrection, and Trunks himself likely wouldn't be strong enough to supply the ki needed since his main focus likely would've been rebuilding Earth and not training vigourously.
In addition to this, Goku's been dead too long by the time of Boo for Shenlong to resurrect him.

And to explain this theory that this is actually a different Future Trunks, we've seen other versions of Trunks being able to exist in different time tangents. It doesn't have to be the same one that we've seen.
There was a version of Trunks who was killed by Cell, after all. It was a different one from the one who dies against Cell at the Cell Games.

So when Toriyama states that we will see Future Trunks again, he doesn't say it's the same one that we saw in DBZ. They'd technically both be "Future Trunks", so he wouldn't actually be lying.
It wouldn't be 'Future Trunks' though. Why would he say that we're seeing Future Trunks again if it's essentially a different character? Even though he may look like the Trunks we know and have experiences similar to the Trunks we know, it wouldn't be the Trunks we know, and any connection with the viewer or the rest of the characters would be lost completely.

That Trunks would be similar to the Trunks we know anyway, so if Mai can survive in another timeline, I don't see why she couldn't survive in the Original Timeline of the Trunks we know.
Then the entire Mai thing would make no sense at all though if it's the Trunks from the Android arc.
And any theory to how they ended up meeting up (and she was around his age) is extremely far-fetched and really doesn't make any sense at all either.
Why wouldn't it? If it's any version of 'Future Trunks', then Mai doesn't make any sense.

I don't think she looks his age, she actually looks pretty old to me.
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* Ketchup Revenge Jun 2 2016, 08:57 PM Post #36
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Jun 2 2016, 08:48 PM
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Jun 2 2016, 08:46 PM
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Jun 2 2016, 08:33 PM
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Jun 2 2016, 08:22 PM
I'm honestly thinking that this is a different Trunks than the one in the Android/Cell Arc.
The whole Mai thing in the poster wouldn't make any sense for the Future Trunks we saw in DBZ. Her existence, especially in a body where her and Trunks are roughly the same age, is in a completely different reality than Future Trunks (from Cell Arc), and she was likely killed by 17 and 18 in Trunks's time.

The whole theory about Goku being resurrected for Boo doesn't make sense either because Boo likely didn't exist in Trunks's time. There's not enough people on Earth for a ressurrection, and Trunks himself likely wouldn't be strong enough to supply the ki needed since his main focus likely would've been rebuilding Earth and not training vigourously.
In addition to this, Goku's been dead too long by the time of Boo for Shenlong to resurrect him.

And to explain this theory that this is actually a different Future Trunks, we've seen other versions of Trunks being able to exist in different time tangents. It doesn't have to be the same one that we've seen.
There was a version of Trunks who was killed by Cell, after all. It was a different one from the one who dies against Cell at the Cell Games.

So when Toriyama states that we will see Future Trunks again, he doesn't say it's the same one that we saw in DBZ. They'd technically both be "Future Trunks", so he wouldn't actually be lying.
It wouldn't be 'Future Trunks' though. Why would he say that we're seeing Future Trunks again if it's essentially a different character? Even though he may look like the Trunks we know and have experiences similar to the Trunks we know, it wouldn't be the Trunks we know, and any connection with the viewer or the rest of the characters would be lost completely.

That Trunks would be similar to the Trunks we know anyway, so if Mai can survive in another timeline, I don't see why she couldn't survive in the Original Timeline of the Trunks we know.
Then the entire Mai thing would make no sense at all though if it's the Trunks from the Android arc.
And any theory to how they ended up meeting up (and she was around his age) is extremely far-fetched and really doesn't make any sense at all either.
Why wouldn't it? If it's any version of 'Future Trunks', then Mai doesn't make any sense.

I don't think she looks his age, she actually looks pretty old to me.
She definitely doesn't look old at all.
No gray hair, no wrinkles, and mind you, Mai has to be older than Bulma, who would've been in her 70s by the time of Trunks being 32, which is his age when he's supposed to appear in DBS.

If this was the "Future Trunks" that we know, the age thing of Mai makes no sense because the Dragonballs have been gone from Trunks's time for a while now.

We don't know when the wish was made to make Mai, Pilaf, and Shu young again, but I don't imagine it was before Piccolo was killed.
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* Yu Narukami Jun 2 2016, 09:03 PM Post #37
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Nagito Komaeda
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I'm honestly thinking that this is a different Trunks than the one in the Android/Cell Arc.
The whole Mai thing in the poster wouldn't make any sense for the Future Trunks we saw in DBZ. Her existence, especially in a body where her and Trunks are roughly the same age, is in a completely different reality than Future Trunks (from Cell Arc), and she was likely killed by 17 and 18 in Trunks's time.

The whole theory about Goku being resurrected for Boo doesn't make sense either because Boo likely didn't exist in Trunks's time. There's not enough people on Earth for a ressurrection, and Trunks himself likely wouldn't be strong enough to supply the ki needed since his main focus likely would've been rebuilding Earth and not training vigourously.
In addition to this, Goku's been dead too long by the time of Boo for Shenlong to resurrect him.

And to explain this theory that this is actually a different Future Trunks, we've seen other versions of Trunks being able to exist in different time tangents. It doesn't have to be the same one that we've seen.
There was a version of Trunks who was killed by Cell, after all. It was a different one from the one who dies against Cell at the Cell Games.

So when Toriyama states that we will see Future Trunks again, he doesn't say it's the same one that we saw in DBZ. They'd technically both be "Future Trunks", so he wouldn't actually be lying.
It wouldn't be 'Future Trunks' though. Why would he say that we're seeing Future Trunks again if it's essentially a different character? Even though he may look like the Trunks we know and have experiences similar to the Trunks we know, it wouldn't be the Trunks we know, and any connection with the viewer or the rest of the characters would be lost completely.

That Trunks would be similar to the Trunks we know anyway, so if Mai can survive in another timeline, I don't see why she couldn't survive in the Original Timeline of the Trunks we know.
Then the entire Mai thing would make no sense at all though if it's the Trunks from the Android arc.
And any theory to how they ended up meeting up (and she was around his age) is extremely far-fetched and really doesn't make any sense at all either.
Why wouldn't it? If it's any version of 'Future Trunks', then Mai doesn't make any sense.

I don't think she looks his age, she actually looks pretty old to me.
She definitely doesn't look old at all.
No gray hair, no wrinkles, and mind you, Mai has to be older than Bulma, who would've been in her 70s by the time of Trunks being 32, which is his age when he's supposed to appear in DBS.

If this was the "Future Trunks" that we know, the age thing of Mai makes no sense because the Dragonballs have been gone from Trunks's time for a while now.

We don't know when the wish was made to make Mai, Pilaf, and Shu young again, but I don't imagine it was before Piccolo was killed.
If he's meant to be Future Trunks, he has to come from a future timeline that's been devastated by the Androids. Otherwise, he's nothing like the Future Trunks we know at all. If it's Present Trunks but just older, it's not 'Future' Trunks in the slightest. As for Mai, considering the fact that Bulma looks much younger than she did in the Boo Saga, I'm willing to bet that she just looks younger than she should be due to the art style. It's that, or we're essentially being lied to.
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* Ketchup Revenge Jun 2 2016, 09:14 PM Post #38
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If he's meant to be Future Trunks, he has to come from a future timeline that's been devastated by the Androids. Otherwise, he's nothing like the Future Trunks we know at all. If it's Present Trunks but just older, it's not 'Future' Trunks in the slightest. As for Mai, considering the fact that Bulma looks much younger than she did in the Boo Saga, I'm willing to bet that she just looks younger than she should be due to the art style. It's that, or we're essentially being lied to.
She absolutely does not look old at all.
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And her existence in Trunks's timeline, or her involvement with him in any way doesn't make a lick of sense. The only reason why she knows him in DBS/BoG is because she's looking for the Dragon Balls with Pilaf and Shu, in which due to their location being at Capsule Corp at that time, she meets Trunks.
And her chasing the Dragonballs is what she's always been doing since we met her in Dragon Ball.
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LukeKubs Jun 2 2016, 09:22 PM Post #39
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 I'm confused by all of this. So when Future Trunks went back to his own time after the cell saga, he beat all the androids and brought his time to peace. So wouldn't he be able to find dragon balls, either on Earth or Namek, and resurrect everyone killed by the androids? If he did that then man being alive/ that girl being Pan would make sense wouldn't it? Or is none of that possible for some reason?
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Jun 2 2016, 09:31 PM Post #40
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 Well, seeing as how Freeza could be revived more than a year after his death, yeah, there's really no reason he couldn't have used the Namekian Dragon Balls to revive Piccolo, and by extension God. It's one of the reasons I don't like the idea that the 1-year rule only applies to mass resurrection, well, that and it sounds awfully contrived.
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Judau Ashtha Jun 2 2016, 09:38 PM Post #41
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 Well, not really. I don't think Future Trunks knows the Namek(New) planet location.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Jun 2 2016, 09:40 PM Post #42
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 He doesn't, but Goku should still have a body, and he could very easily contact Trunks through Kaio with the information.
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* Yu Narukami Jun 2 2016, 09:46 PM Post #43
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If he's meant to be Future Trunks, he has to come from a future timeline that's been devastated by the Androids. Otherwise, he's nothing like the Future Trunks we know at all. If it's Present Trunks but just older, it's not 'Future' Trunks in the slightest. As for Mai, considering the fact that Bulma looks much younger than she did in the Boo Saga, I'm willing to bet that she just looks younger than she should be due to the art style. It's that, or we're essentially being lied to.
She absolutely does not look old at all.
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And her existence in Trunks's timeline, or her involvement with him in any way doesn't make a lick of sense. The only reason why she knows him in DBS/BoG is because she's looking for the Dragon Balls with Pilaf and Shu, in which due to their location being at Capsule Corp at that time, she meets Trunks.
And her chasing the Dragonballs is what she's always been doing since we met her in Dragon Ball.
What's the alternative then? This is Present Trunks in the Future and not the Future Trunks that we were expecting and were promised?
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superperfectnerd Jun 2 2016, 09:51 PM Post #44
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He doesn't, but Goku should still have a body, and he could very easily contact Trunks through Kaio with the information.
One of the plot holes from the android arc in my opinion. Why bother with time travel? Just get Goku/King Kai to contact the Namekians and resurrect everyone.

Maybe Trunks did get hold of Dragon Balls and bring everyone back killed by the androids. That would mean Mai was dead for 20 odd years and that's why she didn't age.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Jun 2 2016, 09:55 PM Post #45
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 I feel it's only a plot hole if the 1-year rule applies exclusively to mass resurrections. After all, we don't know how far away New Namek is. It could be very very far removed from the original.
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