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gotenks ssb vs beerus
Topic Started: Jun 1 2016, 02:35 AM (501 Views)
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Am I to assume Gotenks trained to get the SSJB form to the extant as Goku and Vegeta?
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Am I to assume Gotenks trained to get the SSJB form to the extant as Goku and Vegeta?
That's what I'll assume and if that's the case Gotenks should win.
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who wins?
Likely Beerus.
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Am I to assume Gotenks trained to get the SSJB form to the extant as Goku and Vegeta?

If he didn't he gets his butt kicked. If he did... Well do you think ssjg Goku would win is more or less the question at hand, which is a resounding no.

And if this is Goten and Trunks individually training to attain the level and then fusing, then this is pretty much just ssjgssj Gogeta vs Beerus. Which is a complete unknown because who knows how much more powerful Beerus is than Goku after DBS threw out Toriyama's own words regarding strength.

If for some reason you think 5/10/15 is still valid however, or or even just Vegeta's 10% line, then ssjgssj Gogeta Gotenks stomps

I think I've covered everything, is there anything in particular I missed?
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Jun 1 2016, 03:09 AM
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Jun 1 2016, 02:35 AM
who wins?
Likely Beerus.
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Am I to assume Gotenks trained to get the SSJB form to the extant as Goku and Vegeta?

If he didn't he gets his butt kicked. If he did... Well do you think ssjg Goku would win is more or less the question at hand, which is a resounding no.

And if this is Goten and Trunks individually training to attain the level and then fusing, then this is pretty much just ssjgssj Gogeta vs Beerus. Which is a complete unknown because who knows how much more powerful Beerus is than Goku after DBS threw out Toriyama's own words regarding strength.

If for some reason you think 5/10/15 is still valid however, or or even just Vegeta's 10% line, then ssjgssj Gogeta Gotenks stomps

I think I've covered everything, is there anything in particular I missed?
True, I meant to word it like that. But I'm just assuming that if both Goku and Vegeta team up they could rival or best him. Them fusing would own him. I wanted to give Goten and Trunks a near similar boost a bit weaker but if they were to fuse, they'd be monsters to Beerus.
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I wanted to give Goten and Trunks a near similar boost a bit weaker

Why is the boost you're giving them changing from what Goku and Vegeta had?

And second your idea relies on the 5/10/15 idea still being valid, which I'm pretty sure is not the case considering Champa was ready to flatten Hit, who won.
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I wanted to give Goten and Trunks a near similar boost a bit weaker

Why is the boost you're giving them changing from what Goku and Vegeta had?

And second your idea relies on the 5/10/15 idea still being valid, which I'm pretty sure is not the case considering Champa was ready to flatten Hit, who won.
It's not changing a lot I'm just putting them just under their dads that's all, still in their realm of power.

Nah, I said if what Whis statement said is true about Goku and Vegeta being able to rival Beerus is true, then a fusion of any of those four will beat Beerus easily. That statement has nothing to do with that 6/10/15 gap.
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I wanted to give Goten and Trunks a near similar boost a bit weaker

Why is the boost you're giving them changing from what Goku and Vegeta had?

And second your idea relies on the 5/10/15 idea still being valid, which I'm pretty sure is not the case considering Champa was ready to flatten Hit, who won.
It's not changing a lot I'm just putting them just under their dads that's all, still in their realm of power.

Nah, I said if what Whis statement said is true about Goku and Vegeta being able to rival Beerus is true, then a fusion of any of those four will beat Beerus easily. That statement has nothing to do with that 6/10/15 gap.
But why are you changing anything at all?

Right, but Champa's confidence against someone who just beat up ssjgssjkkx10 Goku directly contradicts that idea. Whis most likely lied if Hit's worry was any indication.
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I wanted to give Goten and Trunks a near similar boost a bit weaker

Why is the boost you're giving them changing from what Goku and Vegeta had?

And second your idea relies on the 5/10/15 idea still being valid, which I'm pretty sure is not the case considering Champa was ready to flatten Hit, who won.
It's not changing a lot I'm just putting them just under their dads that's all, still in their realm of power.

Nah, I said if what Whis statement said is true about Goku and Vegeta being able to rival Beerus is true, then a fusion of any of those four will beat Beerus easily. That statement has nothing to do with that 6/10/15 gap.
But why are you changing anything at all?

Right, but Champa's confidence against someone who just beat up ssjgssjkkx10 Goku directly contradicts that idea. Whis most likely lied if Hit's worry was any indication.
Just have the kids inferior since they were after the rosat training back in the Buu saga, but we can have them at the same strength.

Well you have to remember, Fusion is not be underestimated especially if the two are like trees to Beerus's castle.
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I wanted to give Goten and Trunks a near similar boost a bit weaker

Why is the boost you're giving them changing from what Goku and Vegeta had?

And second your idea relies on the 5/10/15 idea still being valid, which I'm pretty sure is not the case considering Champa was ready to flatten Hit, who won.
It's not changing a lot I'm just putting them just under their dads that's all, still in their realm of power.

Nah, I said if what Whis statement said is true about Goku and Vegeta being able to rival Beerus is true, then a fusion of any of those four will beat Beerus easily. That statement has nothing to do with that 6/10/15 gap.
But why are you changing anything at all?

Right, but Champa's confidence against someone who just beat up ssjgssjkkx10 Goku directly contradicts that idea. Whis most likely lied if Hit's worry was any indication.
Just have the kids inferior since they were after the rosat training back in the Buu saga, but we can have them at the same strength.

Well you have to remember, Fusion is not be underestimated especially if the two are like trees to Beerus's castle.
It seems very arbitrary to me to increase their strength far above what they have in the canon, but then keep it below exactly ssjg Goku. Making their individual power levels mean nothing is bad enough, even worse for it to suddenly be that everyone's different even though they're still getting raised to the ssjgssj required strength.

And Champa is confident he can take down someone stronger than ssjgssjkkx10 Goku. Again they could easily be miles above even a hypothetical Vegetto.
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If he gets the same boost Goku did, then he wins.

He's easily more than a hundred times stronger than Goku in base.
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I don't know, but it seems Goku and Vegeta surpassed Gotenks individually with ease, I see no way for SSJB Gotenks to take this one.
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