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| Piccolo (Pre-Nail merging) vs Captain Ginyu | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 30 2016, 03:19 PM (1,234 Views) | |
| DBZMan | May 30 2016, 03:19 PM Post #1 |
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Who wins? |
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| Total Warrior | May 30 2016, 04:39 PM Post #2 |
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Piccolo thought he could help against 1st form frieza, so I usually have him at 200 000. He wins |
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| Billa | May 30 2016, 05:10 PM Post #3 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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To be frank, Piccolo (pre-Nail merging) is trash Face it. He was nothing against Raditz. Utterly USELESS against Nappa Trained for like what? 10-20 days at King Kai's planet & was trying to take on Frieza, most powerful galactic tyrant. ROFL Its no secret Piccolo was Toriyama's fav character. Hence, giving him ridiculous gains is justified (going frm trash against Saiyans to toe-to-toe with 2nd Form Frieza) by merging with Nail Y'know whats da irony. Nail himself was ragged to death by Frieza with hardly any effort One ragged trash + overconfident trash somehow = Badass fighter beating up 2nd Form Frieza Whatevr. Without succumbing to digits & Toriyama temptations, I think Piccolo isnt touching Ginyu. Its said Ginyu's highest level was 120,000 or something around that Piccolo at max couldnt cross 50,000 & dats being super generous (given his pathetic SPC against Raditz registered pityful 1000+ on scouter) So yeah. Piccolo's doomed |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 30 2016, 05:16 PM Post #4 |
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Izanagi!
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Yeah, the pathetic Makankosappo, with one of the strongest amps in the series. I don't see how his performance against Raditz means anything at all. He wasn't utterly useless against Nappa, unless you're willingly forgetting the damage he inflicted on him. Chapter: 293 (DBZ 99), P4.3 Context: Piccolo talking about wanting to fight Freeza Piccolo: “My power has vastly increased here! I’ll definitely defeat him! Call me to that planet!” Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P1.4, P2.1-5, P3.1 Nail: “I-I’m astonished…I don’t know what kind of training you’ve done, but you’ve acquired unbelievable power…Still, it’s unfortunate…If you had only returned to the original, single Namekian you were, you might have been able to defeat even Freeza…” Piccolo: “Are you saying that if I merged with God once again, my power would even surpass Freeza!?” Nail: “Th-that’s right…I was overwhelmingly defeated by Freeza, but I should have a good comprehension of his abilities…[ ] So merge with me…! I’m also the only fighting-type Namekian on this planet…[ ] That’s right…Your power will become many times greater…” Piccolo: “…You’re not lying, are you?” Nail: “If you think so, you can just go get killed by Freeza…” I'd like to trust Piccolo's word instead of saying that his increase doesn't make logical sense. Goku's humongous zenkai after fighting Ginyu doesn't make sense, it's nowhere near the previous zenkais we've had in the series. And we also get this from Nail, who's 42,000 Chapter: 286 (DBZ 92), P5.1-2 Freeza: "Hoh! This is incredible! Your battle power has risen to 42,000. I see, you truly do seem to be completely different than all the Namekians up to now. I’m surprised…This is a magnificent battle power! I can see why you’re called a Warrior-type. It’s enough to make me want you for an underling." So, Piccolo's power being 'unbelievable' to someone who's 42,000 means that it's significantly above that, at the very least. |
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| + Pyrus | May 30 2016, 05:20 PM Post #5 |
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I don't see how his performance against Raditz is relevant here either. Piccolo stomps Ginyu. I'm not one to put him at 300-400,000 like some people, but I do have him around 150-200,000. |
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| Billa | May 30 2016, 05:36 PM Post #6 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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Guy, you cant use one crap to justify ANOTHER crap Tell me what damage Piccolo inflicted on Nappa. That cheap chi shot on Nappa's back? To which Veggie LOL'd implying he sarcastically mocked Nappa for having trouble against low-level trash like Piccolo Why dont you talk abt Nappa's SINGLE Elbow Drop which wasted Piccolo? Hell, knocked Piccolo out straight & goddamn it was first, official hit he received from Saiyans. Guess what? Even your much glorified amped SPC "missed" & had it wasnt for Goku's decision to hold Raditz long enuf for Piccolo to charge, OR Gohan's headbutt inflicting delayed after-effect damage that it hindered Raditz's movement, Piccolo's toast. Had it was One on One fight, you charge your Special Beam Cannon like for what? 20 goddamn minute while your opponent drinks Pepsi & "miss". LOL Goku trained at 100G. Had consistently near-death experience while training. Ate multiple Senzu. Zenkai boost Demonstrates Kaioken to Ginyu which multiplies many fold. AGAIN. Suffered near-death moment. Healed at Medical Machine. Boom. Zenkai At least there's some excuse to fill in reason behind his leap/gain, while Piccolo eemained trash level fighter somehow rose to superstardom wannabe superpower without any real susbtance is just LOL worthy |
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| ryan1227 | May 30 2016, 05:37 PM Post #7 |
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Piccolo stomps with ease. It was stated that merging with God could let him beat First Form Freeza, and the boost from that is most likely 2x. |
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| + Son-Goku | May 30 2016, 05:38 PM Post #8 |
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孫悟空
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Piccolo should win this with little difficulty. |
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| Billa | May 30 2016, 05:43 PM Post #9 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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Only problem is topic is about Piccolo (pre-Nail fusion) & your talking abt Piccolo/Kami fusion But yeah. Its explicitly stated Nameless Namekian could win against Saiyans & Frieza But Piccolo WITHOUT Kami or Nail fusion is as good as dead. At least from what we've seen throughout the series (Saiyan~Boo Arc) |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 30 2016, 05:44 PM Post #10 |
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Izanagi!
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The combo attack with Krillin, the fact that he caught Nappa off-guard and grabbed his tail (even though Nappa was distracted, Piccolo was fast enough and sneaky enough to do it without being noticed) and the shot on his back. Nappa totalled him in one hit? Yeah, doesn't change the fact that Piccolo actually gave him a bit of trouble. It missed after Raditz freaked out about how powerful it was. Chapter: 201 (DBZ 7), P7.2, P13.3 Context: said as Piccolo charges up the Makankosappo. Raditz: “Th-this one's battle power is 1,020...30...!!! Un-unbelievable!!!! It's still rising!!!! Raditz: “Battle power 1,330...!!!! He's gathered a-all of his battle power into his fingertips...!!!!” The second one was even stronger, iirc. Maybe about 1,440 or so, can't remember the exact number. You're the one who brought up how 'pathetic' the Makankosappo was strength-wise, nothing about how practical it was. Again, the statements tell us all we need to know. You can cry 'illogical' all ya like, but what we're given is the fact that Piccolo is >> Nail at the very least. |
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| Billa | May 30 2016, 05:53 PM Post #11 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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If you can't handle my honest views (that gives ya the impression of cryin illogical) then dont bother replyin Its not as if my reasons are pulled frm thin-air Piccolo WAS garbage prior to Nail fusion & I've pointed out many times. Unless ur blinded by fanboyism, I dont see how you can argue Piccolo can take on Ginyu Edited by Billa, May 30 2016, 05:54 PM.
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| + Pyrus | May 30 2016, 06:04 PM Post #12 |
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What does it matter if he got the snot beat out of him in two of the major fights prior? It didn't stop him from shooting up to Super Saiyan tier for the androids, or into Cell tier for the Cell Games. Previous fight record has no relevance on power gains. Not even previous power gains have much relevance on future power gains. |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 30 2016, 06:11 PM Post #13 |
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Izanagi!
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I know, right? I mean, when Nail calls his power 'unbelievable' and Piccolo himself, one of the most intelligent characters in the series, says that he can fight against Freeza, the obvious conclusion is that he can't and must be extremely weak, no? |
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| Darker | May 30 2016, 06:19 PM Post #14 |
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Piccolo would've beaten Freeza in his 1st form if he had fused with Kami. I'd say Nail was around that level of power, maybe below, so it's impressive he was able to keep up with 2nd form Freeza. He should be able to win rather easily. |
Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power. | |
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| Billa | May 30 2016, 07:11 PM Post #15 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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Dat last line though So toss aside Veggie's gain/leap from ASSJ (Cell Arc) to SSJ2-tier Majin incarnation in Boo Arc Toss aside Gohan's leap from being low-level kuzo (Namek/Frieza Arc) to strongest fighter in universe as SSJ2 to strongest unfused being in universe in Boo Arc In short, simply toss aside Power Chains, multipliers, digits cuz they have no relevance I'm not even talking about GT Goku's statement insinuating Rildo's chi to be greater than Boo, hence giving birth to Pan > Vegito equations. I say....relation of previous power gains to that of future has no relevance. Simple as that! |
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