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| The Cell-out Saga; Dragon Ball Z jumped the shark when the Cell Saga started | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 29 2016, 04:03 AM (1,944 Views) | |
| The Human Characters | May 29 2016, 04:03 AM Post #1 |
 
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Or is it just me you guys or did Dragon Ball Z went down hill in the Cell Saga, it was poorly written and focused too much on the Marry sue Saiyans . My favorite character Yamcha gets screwed over by Toriyama who made Bulma break up with him and got pregnant by Vegeta. All that contrived writing just so Toriyama can make another Saiyan. If Yamcha can't have Bulma, I want Yamcha's babies! Yamcha and the other human characters became punching bags from there on out. Toriyama only made works after the Frieza saga just so he can make more money instead of caring about characters and fans. Do you you guys agree with me?
Edited by The Human Characters, May 29 2016, 04:15 AM.
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| Dankness Lava | May 29 2016, 04:18 AM Post #2 |
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I understand where you're coming from, but for what we got the arc was quite entertaining. The Androids were well-characterized, Cell was a pompous badass who could back up his boasts, and Gero was quite the scientist, clearly. Sure, it was somewhat of a Saiyan-fest, but at least Piccolo held his own until the end of the arc. I admit that it does very little to enhance the series, but it did what it did pretty well, which was entertain and look awesome. Can you argue with that? One problem I have though is the discrepancy between the power-creep and the lack of destruction. They should've fought throughout the Solar System instead to show off their abilities better, since this section of the story is mostly action-based. |
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| The Human Characters | May 29 2016, 04:22 AM Post #3 |
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I just want all of the main characters especially the human ones all fair and equal in competence, power and relevance. |
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| Dankness Lava | May 29 2016, 05:34 AM Post #4 |
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Dankness Forever
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I get it, but it only makes sense for warrior-bred aliens, especially those born on a planet with enhanced gravity, to be multitudes stronger than a race that isn't bred the same way and lacks the benefits. |
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| Billa | May 29 2016, 02:02 PM Post #5 |
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Its a great saga. I have some complaints, but as an overall Cell Saga is just so damn....fantastic At least Tien got an awesome moment (Kikoho @ Cell) but not our beloved desert bandit, Yamucha. Lol |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 29 2016, 02:18 PM Post #6 |
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It's only natural the Earthlings fell behind. They don't have Zenkais, transformations, and the same drive Saiyans do. And I really wouldn't call Bulma and Yamcha splitting up contrived. They always seem to be having some sorta feud, so I can see why they split. Regarding DBZs overall quality, I don't know, I like the Artificial Human arc quite a bit, so I'd hesitate to say it was the point where the series started going down hill, although, I will agree the writing became sloppier, and that really showed when the Majin Boo arc rolled around. As for Toriyama continuing his manga because money, that's been his goal from the very beginning so I certainly wouldn't hold that against the last 2 arcs. |
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| The Human Characters | Jun 4 2016, 12:11 AM Post #7 |
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But that's not fair! everyone should be fair and equal to fulfill a proper character balance. |
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| GreatSaiyanman | Jun 4 2016, 12:17 AM Post #8 |
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The writing became less focused in the Cell arc, and boy does it show, but it still has a lot of interesting and cool things going for it. I'd rank it above the Buu arc just for managing to have a consistent tone throughout. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 4 2016, 12:19 AM Post #9 |
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Life's not fair, bud. |
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| + miguelnuva | Jun 30 2016, 03:57 AM Post #10 |
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I hate to insult someone's favorite character but Yamach's greatest moment is really the saibaman fight. He was the run of AT's jokes from the start of the manga and he character was never really that interesting to me. As far as the non saiyans go Piccolo and Krillen are the only ones I really wanted to keep up and they did. The humans were all likely still close to Goku in power but the problem came from the 50x ssj boost. |
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| + Son-Goku | Jun 30 2016, 06:37 PM Post #11 |
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That would destroy the whole point of Dragon Ball. Throughout Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z Goku was getting stronger making a larger and larger gap. Everyone knew it and everyone knew what would happen as Goku grew up. It's nothing unexpected at all. Although I do agree that humans could have been a bit more useful but hey that's the way Toriyama felt it should go. Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien are basically replaced with Gohan, Goten, and Trunks. |
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| Thiln | Jun 30 2016, 07:39 PM Post #12 |
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I would say the Android/Cell arc is the last time Toriyama conceived an overall decent arc. My sentiments regarding the Buu arc are mixed at best and Super is riddled with more nonsense and inconsistencies than can be rationalised. Make no mistake - I also have grievances with the arc. The oversaturation of Saiyans which was truly at the forefront at this point, plot induced stupidity on behalf of the characters, and the illogicality of Gero's machines being so strong is where I take fault with the arc. Had Toriyama been willing to make the leap, he could have bolstered the humans with enough special perks to keep them relevant. Have them all learn the Kaioken from King Kai or Goku then increase it to 50/100x. Establish that Guru's potential unlock is long term and that Krillin's power is ever increasing throughout the arc. Then you could have everyone train together with Goku or be given a gravity chamber of their own to use. There - now you have humans who are likely pushing up to around 3-8 million by the start of the android arc. If you want to take it one step further then the Fusion Dance could be introduced in this arc. Have Tien and Yamcha go into the chamber together in order to strengthen their bodies, as well as prep for fusion. Once that's done they could feasibly come out with a power level that's up in the tens of millions. Combine that with fusion and the Kaioken and you have some credible fighters who could very likely fill Trunks or even Vegeta's shoes. |
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| ekrolo2 | Jun 30 2016, 07:59 PM Post #13 |
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The crux of many story and character issues stem from the time travel angle, take that crap out of the equation and you'd have pretty much the same arc with a lot less contrived making of everyone, across multiple timelines look like a group of morons and a*****. |
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| GreatSaiyanman | Jul 1 2016, 09:30 AM Post #14 |
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The common complaint of "plot induced stupidity" for this arc is something I have trouble fully getting behind. For example, many people cite Vegeta allowing Cell to obtain his Perfect Form as a prime example of the supposed "idiot ball" trope in the arc, and I can't really see why. Vegeta wasn't out to save the world in this arc, nor was he depicted as a good guy. He only saw the androids as a means of testing his strength. So, considering this, it makes logical sense as to why he would allow Cell to transform. His Semi-Perfect form wasn't a challenge at all for Vegeta, and having Cell transform brought the possibility of Vegeta actually having to put effort into the fight and allowing him to properly gauge how much stronger he had become. What Vegeta did was reckless, but sensible given his goals. It was infinitely more stupid of him when he goaded Freeza into transforming during the Namek arc. And then we have other instances brought up such as Krillin destroying the remote, in which case he very clearly had trouble thinking straight because he had developed feelings for 18 at that point. His behavior here was justified, and actually shows a character flaw in Krillin we hadn't seen before but made sense given his past statements involving women. He wasn't being "stupid" just for the sake of being stupid. Honestly, the antagonists feel more at fault of plot induced stupidity than the Z fighters, whom of which are the primary basis of this complaint for many people. Things like Imperfect Cell forgetting about Piccolo's regeneration and 18 never taking any of her numerous chances to escape Imperfect Cell reek more of actual plot induced stupidity rather than the usual claims against the Z fighters. And even then, I don't feel as if it's an excessive amount. The Android/Cell arc is far from perfect, but I don't really agree with some of the common criticisms against it. |
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| Dankness Lava | Jul 1 2016, 10:43 PM Post #15 |
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Even if Vegeta didn't care about Earth, he still should've been way more cautious considering he didn't really have a way of knowing how strong Cell would get. Same goes with Krillin. Even though he had that attachment, he should've known better ultimately. Not plot-induced, but character induced for sure. |
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