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Things you'd change about the USA
Topic Started: May 27 2016, 02:22 PM (1,832 Views)
Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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GinyuTokusentai
May 28 2016, 01:03 PM
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May 28 2016, 12:30 PM
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May 28 2016, 11:56 AM
America is culturally not ready for the kind of gun laws that we know in many European countries.
Background checks definitely need to be more thorough, and certain weapons should not be obtainable by any person. You don't need an M4 Assault Rifle to defend yourself against burglars.
If you can tell me where a civilian can legally get an M4 carbine please do, because they're normally illegal to own already.



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"normally" that's your key word.
There are civilian M4s that can be legally bought.

Your comic adds nothing to your post. I guess you're indirectly trying to call me an idiot but that would be an ad hominem.
Well, by normally I meant if you join federal law enforcement suddenly firearm laws do not apply to you. M4s are only issued to Military or Law enforcement, or as 07ffl/02 SOT dealer samples, and then they're not allowed to sell them. You can get drop in auto-sears for AR-15s that require 6 months of paperwork, $5,000 or more to buy the auto sear, and $200 a year in taxes. That doesn't make the AR-15 an M4 carbine.

It wasn't so much an attack on you, just the logic people use when they say "You don't need x gun to defend yourself". It depends on the situation. Some situations a 9mm handgun is more than enough and in other situations you might need an AR-15.

I know a guy who had he not had an AR-15 to defend his home, he would be dead right now. Police ended up doing a no knock raid on his house, thinking he was someone else. They had the wrong house, still went ahead with the the raid guns drawn, and the guy killed 2 officers thinking they were criminals trying to break in to his house and murder him. There were some other factors that played in to it but the guy got off with no punishment because the police pretty much were sloppy, unprepared, and hadn't done their research on who lived in the house.

Had he used a 9mm handgun he would have been killed. I'll try to dig up the article if you want, I think it had more details than I could provide.
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If he had no gun to begin with he would have lived just the same seeing as police are not allowed to shoot unarmed suspects. You do not NEED a firearm to keep your home safe but I will not spite someone for wanting one to do so.
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Helvius Pertinax Augustus
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May 28 2016, 01:57 PM
If he had no gun to begin with he would have lived just the same seeing as police are not allowed to shoot unarmed suspects. You do not NEED a firearm to keep your home safe but I will not spite someone for wanting one to do so.
Not allowed doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Guy had every right to own one and he had every right to do what he did anyway. sloppy police work is not an excuse to violate someones 4th amendment right.
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I'm not arguing rights. He has every right to own a firearm. But he does not need one to protect his home. At the same time, I'll not begrudge him his choice to do so; it is his home he is protecting, not mine. He has more of a vested interest in that matter than I do.
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Sounds like a bulls*** story to me. The police bust into his house and he has time to find his gun, load it with ammo and shoot 12 trained officers before realising they are police. Bulls***.


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I'll agree you don't need one, but a firearm is the most legally justifiable option in the U.S, assuming you do not live in California. It's kind of hard to justify defending yourself by stabbing someone multiple times or bludgeoning them unless you have cameras all over your house.
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May 28 2016, 02:44 PM
Sounds like a bulls*** story to me. The police bust into his house and he has time to find his gun, load it with ammo and shoot 12 trained officers before realising they are police. Bulls***.
Bruh, even in my own home I carry a loaded gun. Many people do. I've even got a loaded shotgun and a loaded rifle hidden in my house that only get locked up when I leave.

Edit: I can't seem to find the article from a quick google search but I'll try to find it more later on.
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How does a gun make it more justifiable to shoot someone multiple times? Unless you got an m4 and went full auto I don't see the connection, and if you did I doubt you legally own it.
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For some reason with firearms it's more clear ut whether you shot someone in self defense or shot someone to intentionally kill them. I'm not a criminal investigator nor a prosecutor so you'd have to ask one of them the finer details of forensics and law, but that's what I've been told in all of the firearm safety and instructor classes I've taken and a few of the classes were taught by FBI/ATF agents. I'd assume they wouldn't be lying on something like that, but then again they are a branch of the government.

On the M4 thing, I mentioned that above.
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The only thing I'd change is that they'd let me in without having to have some crazy qualification, as I'd happily live there in a heartbeat. Love the USA, and the "south" in particular.

Living in England, it might just be one of those pipe dreams we have as its dull as dishwater over here, but having visited the states a few times, loved it/the people/everything.
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