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Whis shown the powers, can he use em?
Topic Started: May 25 2016, 02:32 PM (6,321 Views)
+ Solid Snake May 27 2016, 01:31 AM Post #31
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Tinny
May 27 2016, 01:10 AM
Yeah, there are better comparisons out there I think.

You know what, just answer this question, why do you think it's more probable that he'll what you say he'll do instead of changing anatomy to a key or something?

Like do it something like this

Points that support how you think he's gonna do it:


points that support the key idea:



Please. list them, if you're right, there should at least be more (or more compelling evidence) of your idea vs the key idea. Evidence just from the series from what I can tell it'd look like this.


Evidence from inside the show only
Evidence that he'll turn their innards into a key with matter manipulationEvidence that he'll use matter manipulation to make a shield for himself
He has performed matter manipulationHe has performed matter manipulation


What am I missing? What makes the latter different from the former in terms of arguing what he'll do in a fight?
I feel evil, I didn't want to do this but you left me no choice.

The other option is op apparently.
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Tinny May 27 2016, 01:39 AM Post #32
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 In other words, because you want it that way? You want him to use this but you don't want to rain on everyone's parade with "he turns them into keys," and end the conversation there.

That's not how this works, this is not an rp, this is a versus discussion, we do not talk about what we want to happen, we talk about what will. Either go all the way or don't go there at all.
Me? I go by what I see in combat, because no one ever uses their power to their full potential. Ever. I'm also a minimalist, I start from nothing, and go up. I don't say they can do something (but not other things) just because I want it to be that way.
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+ Solid Snake May 27 2016, 02:12 AM Post #33
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 I'm not gonna say he can't use an ability he has in a fight, that's that on that. Your arguments don't even make sense, think about it, dude has a power he can use. Whether we see him use it in combat is irrelevant, he's shown he can use it and that's all I need to see.
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Tinny May 27 2016, 02:19 AM Post #34
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May 27 2016, 02:12 AM
I'm not gonna say he can't use an ability he has in a fight, that's that on that. Your arguments don't even make sense, think about it, dude has a power he can use. Whether we see him use it in combat is irrelevant, he's shown he can use it and that's all I need to see.
By that logic Goku ITs inside his opponent and telefrags them. "Whether we see him use it in combat is irrelevant, he's shown he can use it and that's all I need to see."
Or in this case, whether we see him use it like that inside of combat is irrelevant. He has shown he can use it and that's all I need to see.

I wonder how that'll go in versus thread. In fact I think I'll test it out.
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Notaka May 27 2016, 01:28 PM Post #35
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 He has matter manipulation but as a rule of fiction, each power is limited by it's user.

Take for example two characters, A and B.
both are reality warpers. A can still be weaker than B, even though both share the same power.Why ?
Because reality warping that A has is limited by him, whereas B has less limits.
B is a better reality warper than A is.
from powerlisting wiki:
Low-level Users

Users of this stage cannot break the laws of physics, but they can bend them, such as running on vertical walls and Rule Bending. They are the weakest of reality warpers, being severely limited and are debatable to being called "Reality Warpers".

Medium-Level Users

Users of this can mimic animated characters. Users of this level of power are known for holding powers such as Cartoon Physics, performing a seemingly impossible feat (e.g. producing a mallet out of thin air). Some may be able to impose their laws onto others.

Advanced-Level Users

Users of this power level are very powerful force to be reckon with. They can manipulate Physics, allowing them to not only bend, but even break the laws of physics. Being the general form of reality warper, 'Physics Manipulators' can invent their own physical laws and impose them on the rest of the universe.

Master-Level Users

These are the rarest and most powerful of reality warpers. Not only that they can break the laws of physics, they can control the very rules of logic and reason, able to perform a feat that is not only impossible, but also inconceivable. They are so powerful, they may appear to be practically omnipotent.


A could be Medium Level, B could be Master Level which means B > A.
But that doesn't mean A isn't capable of reality warping.

It's the same case on matter manipulation and teleportation.
Whis has shown matter manipulation to be on a basic level.

I feel like I missed the point of the topic but meh.

TL;dr: A power's ability is limited by it's user.Goku can't teleport inside someone, but a person with better teleportation might be able to.
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Tinny May 27 2016, 01:54 PM Post #36
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 Again, if we're not gonna decide these things based on what we see then do in combat, why does any of that matter? If you're going to do it like that, saying that they have to showcase them using a specific way before it can used in a specific way, why not extend that to everything? What makes Whis so special?

Again, the way people are treating Whis's abilities, Goku can IT inside of people and telefrag then while Electro solos pretty much the entire db verse at once.
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Darker May 27 2016, 02:14 PM Post #37
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May 27 2016, 01:54 PM
while Electro solos pretty much the entire db verse at once.
Whaaa?
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lazerbem May 27 2016, 02:28 PM Post #38
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 He could turn to raw energy and manipulate their brain waves at max potential, Hell he could drain all the electricity from their body and stop their muscles from moving or heart from beating.

But he's not smart enough to do that without someone telling him to
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Darker May 28 2016, 06:07 PM Post #39
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May 27 2016, 02:28 PM
But he's not smart enough to do that without someone telling him to
That's what I was thinking, Electro barely ever puts his abilities to good use.
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Tinny May 28 2016, 06:17 PM Post #40
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May 27 2016, 02:28 PM
But he's not smart enough to do that without someone telling him to
That's what I was thinking, Electro barely ever puts his abilities to good use.
Honestly people rarely put their abilities to the absolute best use honestly.
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Darker May 28 2016, 06:20 PM Post #41
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May 28 2016, 06:17 PM
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May 28 2016, 06:07 PM
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May 27 2016, 02:28 PM
But he's not smart enough to do that without someone telling him to
That's what I was thinking, Electro barely ever puts his abilities to good use.
Honestly people rarely put their abilities to the absolute best use honestly.
Some do.

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Tinny May 28 2016, 06:25 PM Post #42
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May 28 2016, 06:20 PM
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May 27 2016, 02:28 PM
But he's not smart enough to do that without someone telling him to
That's what I was thinking, Electro barely ever puts his abilities to good use.
Honestly people rarely put their abilities to the absolute best use honestly.
Some do.

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Maybe, considering what you said in Pyrrha vs Gorkan (I should probably get back to that) he doesn't actually make that much use out of them allot of the time? But even then for every example of that there's gonna be like 10 examples of Electro.
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highwaysaiyan May 28 2016, 08:24 PM Post #43
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i think you are confusing the power of a character and the power of an item.

whis does NOT possess all of these abilities, he CAN operate the (possibly) godly magical staff.

we do know that his combat skills are extremely above most of the gods. the god we do know that is stronger is the omni-king.

*apparently he doesnt meddle nor has the ability to care about the matters of the universe and wont fight anyone. what he does is serve the god of destruction and make sure he doesnt go crazy, kinda of a safety net.
**im guessing he is among the few true immortals, as a being created for the sole purpose to serve the god of destruction.
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Darker May 28 2016, 10:27 PM Post #44
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May 28 2016, 06:25 PM
Maybe, considering what you said in Pyrrha vs Gorkan (I should probably get back to that) he doesn't actually make that much use out of them allot of the time? But even then for every example of that there's gonna be like 10 examples of Electro.
Gorkan was literally one-shotting everything in the beginning of the movie. In the final fight near the end of the movie, he got quite cocky when he had some pieces of the mystical key, since he thought it had made him stronger. So cocky in fact that he couldn't realize his power hadn't changed. With Gisaku it changed because he had devoured the pieces of the key, getting stronger, bigger and acquiring new abilities(such as human speech and intelligence, plus the ability to control extradimensional portals).

Somehow Gorkan didn't think of doing this, so despite being the most feared and most powerful crimelord in the entire country, he's also pretty stupid.
But I don't recall Electro using his power too much, and getting beaten by weaker opponents. At least in the old days, he's probably recieved a boost or something.
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+ Majin Vegeta May 31 2016, 02:01 PM Post #45
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 I guess I'm the only one who thinks that, but Whis has the abilities but whether or not he can actually use them in combat is still unknown I mean sure he could but there's also a possibility he can't, until I see something from him I'll chose the middle way.
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