Whis Vs Omega Shenron (Equal power levels)

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Whis Vs Omega Shenron (Equal power levels)
Tweet Topic Started: May 24 2016, 06:16 PM (1,246 Views)
RealSociedad	May 24 2016, 06:16 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	- Equal power levels. Who wins?



Notaka	May 24 2016, 08:32 PM Post #2
Always Wright Posts: 4,072 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Is omega shenron allowed his regeneration ? Whis is a skillful fighter, but he can't do anything against regeneration.
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+ Solid Snake	May 24 2016, 10:15 PM Post #3
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	I think Whis could win, he has some form of reality warping, and magic powers via the staff and he basically react instantaneously before the opponent can even react, and he's formidable hand to hand combatant in Universe 7. Though Omega, has even more of hax regeneration then even Buu and was able to come back from Super Saiyan 4 Goku's (beyond limits) Super Dragon Fist technique which has a ridiculous big amp. And his ability to reach 6k Celsius near instantly as well as reach Absolute Zero will pressure Whis. Idk but I think this is a 50/50 imo. Both of these guys are cheap. I'll probably say Omega has a slight edge over Whis though. Edit: Completely forgot Whis has that time manipulation to 3 minutes prior. Edited by Solid Snake, May 24 2016, 10:20 PM.
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Notaka	May 24 2016, 10:16 PM Post #4
Always Wright Posts: 4,072 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	It's the regeneration that gives omega shenron a chance to defeat Whis. Without it, Whis would hand his a** to him.
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+ Solid Snake	May 24 2016, 10:23 PM Post #5
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Notaka May 24 2016, 10:16 PM It's the regeneration that gives omega shenron a chance to defeat Whis. Without it, Whis would hand his a** to him. The regen is only part of the reason he could win. The fire and ice combo is deadly as heck and he uses combinations of hurricane level winds and lightning manipulation all in a devastating combo. Omega is truly outmatched in hand to hand to my knowledge. But he also has Nouva in him and both of them was more or less equals, and they went blow for blow even though Goku stated he had the power advantage.
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+ Pyrus	May 25 2016, 02:00 AM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	It was a very small power advantage, to be fair.^ SYXL wins this one. I don't find Whis impressive at all, and he certainly can't get past SYXL's regeneration if someone as strong as SS4 Gogeta couldn't (albeit toying, but still).
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lazerbem	May 25 2016, 02:12 AM Post #7
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Whis is all flash and no substance. He can react instantly!....except that Vegeta tags him. A far weaker character tagged Mr Instant Reactions. His time manipulation does nothing to help him here besides give him another chance to get pummeled. I've seen no grand feats of skill from Whis either, no pressure points or anything against anyone who isn't effectively a standing still target due to power difference. Omega can just spam elemental attacks and wreck Whis since Whis lacks an adaptation factor to recover from being scorched and frozen.
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+ Solid Snake	May 25 2016, 02:58 AM Post #8
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	lazerbem May 25 2016, 02:12 AM Whis is all flash and no substance. He can react instantly!....except that Vegeta tags him. A far weaker character tagged Mr Instant Reactions. His time manipulation does nothing to help him here besides give him another chance to get pummeled. I've seen no grand feats of skill from Whis either, no pressure points or anything against anyone who isn't effectively a standing still target due to power difference. Omega can just spam elemental attacks and wreck Whis since Whis lacks an adaptation factor to recover from being scorched and frozen. I need to be pointed in the direction of the scene Vegeta tags him. Pummeled? I doubt that, Whis is very skilled in hand to hand from his showing in RoF movie, where he's maneuvering around Goku's attacks fluently. I don't think the power difference take away from his defensive reversal style of fighting. And apparently he uses karate chops to for pressure points. And Omega doesn't directly have feats of him being good in hand to hand either at close battle powers, I sensed a tiny bit of biasness there lazerbem. His time manipulation essentially gives him trial and error approaches to deal with Omega. That's advantageous I admit that, he's proven to use them very well together too. But Whis can also just open another dimension and let Omega's attacks harmlessly pass through too. Edit: by NO means I'm saying Whis wins, I still think this is a more or less even battle. Edited by Solid Snake, May 25 2016, 03:00 AM.
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Tinny	May 25 2016, 03:03 AM Post #9
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	One: has he done any of the stuff you've mentioned, especially against summative that's his equal? Two: when Whis trained Goku and Vegeta, it's in both the movie and DBS iirc. And as for the karete chop could you point me to the scene where he is using it as a pressure point technique? Was it him with Beerus after the bog fight? Edited by Tinny, May 25 2016, 03:06 AM.
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+ Solid Snake	May 25 2016, 03:05 AM Post #10
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Tinny May 25 2016, 03:03 AM One: has he done any of the stuff you've mentioned, especially against summative that's his equal? Two: when Whis trained Goku and Vegeta, it's in both the movie and DBS iirc. He hasn't used them in a fight, no. But he shown the abilities listed so I think it's fair he could use them right? They're in his arsenal after all. Is point number 2 for the instantaneous reaction? Edit: Karate chop on Vegeta is 1:07 here: https://youtu.be/WRzd27xkBRk No it's on Vegeta in the RoF movie. Edited by Solid Snake, May 25 2016, 03:09 AM.
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Tinny	May 25 2016, 03:19 AM Post #11
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Solid Snake May 25 2016, 03:05 AM Tinny May 25 2016, 03:03 AM One: has he done any of the stuff you've mentioned, especially against summative that's his equal? Two: when Whis trained Goku and Vegeta, it's in both the movie and DBS iirc. He hasn't used them in a fight, no. But he shown the abilities listed so I think it's fair he could use them right? They're in his arsenal after all. Is point number 2 for the instantaneous reaction? Edit: Karate chop on Vegeta is 1:07 here: https://youtu.be/WRzd27xkBRk No it's on Vegeta in the RoF movie. "Could"isn't a "will" or "would." Heck we're not even certain that it would work on attacks from someone as strong as he is. If Vados even fights Whis we may find out but until then there's allot of unkowns regarding that power, and considering Piccolo straight up murdered someone that was outright omnipotent by a certain view point with brute strength, I'm not holding my breath. Even assuming he would and can it mostly just delays the inevitable considering Omega took a bbkhhx10 to the face from ssj4 Gogeta iirc. Yes, and he got caught by someone was for all intents an purposes in terms of power, a blind and crippled baby in comparison. Not impressive in the least, Whis is so hilariously stronger, likely even more than the previously thought 6-15 difference that it means nothing. You could presumably get a similar result on a baby if you trained for out, doesn't man you can do it against someone just as fast and strong as you, and a hell of allot more durable.
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+ Solid Snake	May 25 2016, 03:32 AM Post #12
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Tinny May 25 2016, 03:19 AM Solid Snake May 25 2016, 03:05 AM Tinny May 25 2016, 03:03 AM One: has he done any of the stuff you've mentioned, especially against summative that's his equal? Two: when Whis trained Goku and Vegeta, it's in both the movie and DBS iirc. He hasn't used them in a fight, no. But he shown the abilities listed so I think it's fair he could use them right? They're in his arsenal after all. Is point number 2 for the instantaneous reaction? Edit: Karate chop on Vegeta is 1:07 here: https://youtu.be/WRzd27xkBRk No it's on Vegeta in the RoF movie. "Could"isn't a "will" or "would." Heck we're not even certain that it would work on attacks from someone as strong as he is. If Vados even fights Whis we may find out but until then there's allot of unkowns regarding that power, and considering Piccolo straight up murdered someone that was outright omnipotent by a certain view point with brute strength, I'm not holding my breath. Even assuming he would and can it mostly just delays the inevitable considering Omega took a bbkhhx10 to the face from ssj4 Gogeta iirc. Yes, and he got caught by someone was for all intents an purposes in terms of power, a blind and crippled baby in comparison. Not impressive in the least, Whis is so hilariously stronger, likely even more than the previously thought 6-15 difference that it means nothing. You could presumably get a similar result on a baby if you trained for out, doesn't man you can do it against someone just as fast and strong as you, and a hell of allot more durable. So...I'm to assume Whis can't use the powers he displayed because he didn't use em in a fight? I'm not sure that make sense to me, but hey maybe I'm being dense. Vados fighting Whis will definitely clear up this fighting fiasco, but from what we're shown, it's safe to assume he's as good as his style and form portrays him to be. Piccolo? Talking about killing Shenron? That dragon wasn't omnipotent at all. Yeah, Omega is a tough dragon though I'll give him that. But I'm not sure the technique in the anime doesn't include a times 10, in the games I think it might be true though. I read up the karate chop business, and it's most effective when the opponent's unaware of your presence. Vegeta has two senses he could've used: sight and ki sense, but he was still struck unaware.
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Tinny	May 25 2016, 03:41 AM Post #13
Posts: 6,061 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Yes, his limits were only revealed because Piccolo strangled him. Again, I'm not holding my breath, I doubt it works so neatly in Dragon Ball combat, it simply doesn't work that way. Either way Gogeta is hilariously stronger than Omega, and that didn't just wipe him out immediately. Omega already has a huge advantage here just with his survivability, nevermind his variety of attacks. Again, he's a blind and deaf baby in comparison, or are you telling me that base Vegeta is more than even 8% of Whis's strength? Because he's certainly not 10% of Beerus's power even at the U6 arc. This is like using the farmer to showcase Raditz's skill and agility in an equal power level fight. The distance between the two is massive, using Whis's chop as evidence is like using Raditz vs Farmer to showcase the saiyan's speed. Edited by Tinny, May 25 2016, 03:43 AM.
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+ Solid Snake	May 25 2016, 04:16 AM Post #14
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Piccolo strangled Whis? More importantly, you doubting it works or not is honestly not a deterrent to saying Whis is unable to use his power in combat. I mean, he was surprised that Hit too could use time related powers as well, this definitely can imply that Whis too can use time manipulation during combat also. I'm not doubting the durability that Omega has, ~~but in equal battles, all that's equaled right? Stats and all?~~ What does Vegeta measuring up to Whis got to do with him getting karate chopped? Slice it however it suits your fancy, but Vegeta had two senses he could've used to not get KO'd via the chop: eye sight and ki sense. The fact he was unaware of Whis position just shows how much more ki control he got to not be actively detected right away. Edited by Solid Snake, May 25 2016, 04:24 AM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	May 25 2016, 04:17 AM Post #15
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	I've always been under the impression that in an equal powers situation, the only thing that is equalized are ki levels. Omega's durability is likely related to his anatomy. Unless of course you want to apply Freeza's Otherworldly survivability to Goku in an equal powers bout.
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