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Why do people pray when prayers are rarely answered?
Topic Started: May 22 2016, 01:29 AM (1,807 Views)
Billa
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Thala na Gethu!

Guys, it was food for thought. Look at various posts that came up. Thats the whole point of the thread.

I myself do not believe in prayers.

No one said prayers was what helped Japan recover. Guess what? You pray for 120 years without moving ur goddamn buttock & nothings gonna work.

It ultimately boils down to effort & Japan is epitome of hardwork. Something they've showed time & again. Ever since Hiroshima/Nagasaki incident

Theb again, prayers come in many forms. Afterall, its a positive vibration which can only be felt. Realized by our deep soul

My 2 cents.

Btw, ofg. I can tell if you've countered my point simply by reading your post. Your intention of being "showy" here is cringe-worthy imo
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I don't think I'm being "showy." I honestly just don't think you're making much sense. I've never been more confused in a thread than I am right now.

Well, I take that back. Coolest could be pretty dang confusing.
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Billa
May 23 2016, 05:17 PM
Buuberries
May 23 2016, 12:29 PM
Billa
May 23 2016, 02:44 AM
Is it that much of a crime to ask for "examples" (not proof/evidences) to form an entertaining discussion/conversation & you gotta use words like "burden of proff" & such

There's time & place to show sensitivity. If you cannot handle even my considerably tame remarks/posts/questions, then dont bother replyin or making generalized statements. Insteaf, hit "Ignore". Done.
i hope ur not ticked off by ofg's post

she did the exact same to u bc that's how debate works and u were trying to shift the burden of proof.

If you cannot handle her considerably tame remarks/posts/questions regarding ur logical fallacies, then dont bother replyin or making generalized statements. Insteaf, hit "Ignore". Done.
Lol. Guess you have nothing to contribute to the topic except acting as ofg's mouthpiece.

Instead of taking lessons on how debate works, why not you try to bring up points to counter mine instead of languishing at superficial levels:

A. Having nothing to add/agree or disagree upon ANY of my points

B. Sugarcoating & subsequently backing ofg using EXACT words of my reply to ofg under the impression it might make you come off looking....dunno. Smart perhaps?

Its funny when you said shifting burden of proof. A simple, casual question can be misquoted, which ticks off certain section of members & some random guy pops to reacue damsel in distress without havin even a SINGLE proof/idea/thoughts to delve into the topic except attempts at sarcasm which ultimately backfired. Lol
i don't need to make points when i can just point out why yours makes no sense by using your own words against you. there's no need to get angry just because you dont know how to construct an argument.
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Buuberries
May 23 2016, 12:29 PM
Billa
May 23 2016, 02:44 AM
Is it that much of a crime to ask for "examples" (not proof/evidences) to form an entertaining discussion/conversation & you gotta use words like "burden of proff" & such

There's time & place to show sensitivity. If you cannot handle even my considerably tame remarks/posts/questions, then dont bother replyin or making generalized statements. Insteaf, hit "Ignore". Done.
i hope ur not ticked off by ofg's post

she did the exact same to u bc that's how debate works and u were trying to shift the burden of proof.

If you cannot handle her considerably tame remarks/posts/questions regarding ur logical fallacies, then dont bother replyin or making generalized statements. Insteaf, hit "Ignore". Done.
Not exactly directed at you Buuberries, but, everyone, please be more respectful. And no backseat moderating. Remember that. If you see someone being disrespectful to you or your beliefs, report it.

Thanks,

Sam
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If anything all you can really equate prayer to is a placebo effect.

People believe their God is on their shoulders and they might perform well in whatever endeavour or just feel more at ease.

That's about all you could really hope to prove it does, if anything.


Did the prayer or the God help them at all? You could say that. But mostly, they and their beliefs helped them. Nothing more tangible than that.

So I wouldn't say it's inherently pointless and it may not directly do anything but it can certainly help.
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It's the same as telling yourself something over and over again to gain confidence. I believe that studies have been done examining the success rate of people who came into something thinking they would fail versus people who psyched themselves up with confidence or mantras. Obviously, the people who convince themselves that they are going to succeed are more apt to succeed. Meditation is proven to work because deep-breathing and thought-based exercises alleviate stress. Prayer really has nothing to do with a god answering a person, but rather with a person convincing themselves that god will answer them. It's the same formula. It can also bring a relief similar to meditation.

It basically boils down to this... If a person prays for something relevant to themselves, like passing a test, it may come to pass because the person has psyched themselves up to believe that their prayer will be answered. In regards to something like solving world hunger or saving someone completely outside of that person's control, prayer does nothing. When the result is in their favor, that person will claim that god did it, but if the result isn't in their favor, they either won't acknowledge god's role in the event, or they will claim "god works in mysterious ways," which is a cop out.
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You'd think that after so many prayers they'd stop believing on a supposedly omnipotent and omniscient being.
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May 23 2016, 10:06 AM
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May 23 2016, 02:49 AM
Most people pray to the wrong God.

There are a lot of false Gods, you need to pray to the right God for him to answer your prays.

Yahweh/Jehovah
Jesus Christ
Christ Ahnsahnghong

Those are just within Christianity.
Is that so? And do you have any reason these gods are the right gods besides "mommy and daddy told me so as a kid."
You need to realize that your way of thinking is a very dangerous one. You pretty much indirectly instigated the idea that entire cultures are inferior to yours.

I have prayed to the Christian God as a kid. I was raised Catholic, and I've had countless prayers where my problems did not only remain unsolved, they escalated.
The Catholic church worships sun Gods on Sunday. So why would God want to be praised on Sundays?
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May 24 2016, 12:26 AM
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May 23 2016, 10:06 AM
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May 23 2016, 02:49 AM
Most people pray to the wrong God.

There are a lot of false Gods, you need to pray to the right God for him to answer your prays.

Yahweh/Jehovah
Jesus Christ
Christ Ahnsahnghong

Those are just within Christianity.
Is that so? And do you have any reason these gods are the right gods besides "mommy and daddy told me so as a kid."
You need to realize that your way of thinking is a very dangerous one. You pretty much indirectly instigated the idea that entire cultures are inferior to yours.

I have prayed to the Christian God as a kid. I was raised Catholic, and I've had countless prayers where my problems did not only remain unsolved, they escalated.
The Catholic church worships sun Gods on Sunday. So why would God want to be praised on Sundays?
He doesn't. The Bible states to keep the sabbath day holy. The sabbath was actually on a Saturday.
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Which brings up a question: why was the day changed?
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A select group of scholars claim that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, but after years of research, I've come to the conclusion that that's bulls***.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_in_Christianity
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Wikipedia is as reliable as users make it. Which means it used to SUCK. The changes they made make it more reliable but still not credible enough on its own.

The topic at hand however.....an nteresting switch.
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May 24 2016, 04:46 AM
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May 24 2016, 12:26 AM
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May 23 2016, 10:06 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
May 23 2016, 02:49 AM
Most people pray to the wrong God.

There are a lot of false Gods, you need to pray to the right God for him to answer your prays.

Yahweh/Jehovah
Jesus Christ
Christ Ahnsahnghong

Those are just within Christianity.
Is that so? And do you have any reason these gods are the right gods besides "mommy and daddy told me so as a kid."
You need to realize that your way of thinking is a very dangerous one. You pretty much indirectly instigated the idea that entire cultures are inferior to yours.

I have prayed to the Christian God as a kid. I was raised Catholic, and I've had countless prayers where my problems did not only remain unsolved, they escalated.
The Catholic church worships sun Gods on Sunday. So why would God want to be praised on Sundays?
He doesn't. The Bible states to keep the sabbath day holy. The sabbath was actually on a Saturday.
That's what I mean, Catholics don't follow what the bible says. They have gold ceilings and worships man made idols and have mass on Sundays instead of Saturday.
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May 24 2016, 06:22 AM
ObsessiveFanGirl
May 24 2016, 04:46 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
May 24 2016, 12:26 AM
GinyuTokusentai
May 23 2016, 10:06 AM
SSj4 Gotenks
May 23 2016, 02:49 AM
Most people pray to the wrong God.

There are a lot of false Gods, you need to pray to the right God for him to answer your prays.

Yahweh/Jehovah
Jesus Christ
Christ Ahnsahnghong

Those are just within Christianity.
Is that so? And do you have any reason these gods are the right gods besides "mommy and daddy told me so as a kid."
You need to realize that your way of thinking is a very dangerous one. You pretty much indirectly instigated the idea that entire cultures are inferior to yours.

I have prayed to the Christian God as a kid. I was raised Catholic, and I've had countless prayers where my problems did not only remain unsolved, they escalated.
The Catholic church worships sun Gods on Sunday. So why would God want to be praised on Sundays?
He doesn't. The Bible states to keep the sabbath day holy. The sabbath was actually on a Saturday.
That's what I mean, Catholics don't follow what the bible says. They have gold ceilings and worships man made idols and have mass on Sundays instead of Saturday.
They don't actually worship idols, first of all. Second of all, Protestants also view Sunday as the Sabbath day, so your point is lost on me.
Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, May 24 2016, 12:03 PM.
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