Why do people pray when prayers are rarely answered?

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Why do people pray when prayers are rarely answered?
Tweet Topic Started: May 22 2016, 01:29 AM (1,809 Views)
+ Sandy Shore	May 23 2016, 03:07 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Billa May 23 2016, 02:26 AM Can you provide examples of unanswered prayers? Everyday, me and my mum would would pray the gay away. Suffice it to say, she's still ashamed.



EMIYA	May 23 2016, 03:15 PM Post #17
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I think its really been said before, sometimes prayers isn't an act of seeking out the help of a deity or something but just trying to ask for assistance or help on something. It's kind of like how some people may make a wish on a star. People don't necessarily believe in the idea of wish fulfillment, but they do believe in the hope that it potentially brings and if their desires are answered, they can mark it on as good luck. You can say the same thing about a good luck charm. Doubtfully anyone actually believes a good luck charm works, but that sense of hope it brings to them is what matters most.



Billa	May 23 2016, 05:17 PM Post #18
Thala na Gethu! Posts: 4,218 Group: Member Member #7,273 Joined: February 3, 2012 Favourite Anime Nothin What Browser do you use? Nothin Favourite Manga Nothin	Buuberries May 23 2016, 12:29 PM Billa May 23 2016, 02:44 AM Is it that much of a crime to ask for "examples" (not proof/evidences) to form an entertaining discussion/conversation & you gotta use words like "burden of proff" & such There's time & place to show sensitivity. If you cannot handle even my considerably tame remarks/posts/questions, then dont bother replyin or making generalized statements. Insteaf, hit "Ignore". Done. i hope ur not ticked off by ofg's post she did the exact same to u bc that's how debate works and u were trying to shift the burden of proof. If you cannot handle her considerably tame remarks/posts/questions regarding ur logical fallacies, then dont bother replyin or making generalized statements. Insteaf, hit "Ignore". Done. Lol. Guess you have nothing to contribute to the topic except acting as ofg's mouthpiece. Instead of taking lessons on how debate works, why not you try to bring up points to counter mine instead of languishing at superficial levels: A. Having nothing to add/agree or disagree upon ANY of my points B. Sugarcoating & subsequently backing ofg using EXACT words of my reply to ofg under the impression it might make you come off looking....dunno. Smart perhaps? Its funny when you said shifting burden of proof. A simple, casual question can be misquoted, which ticks off certain section of members & some random guy pops to reacue damsel in distress without havin even a SINGLE proof/idea/thoughts to delve into the topic except attempts at sarcasm which ultimately backfired. Lol



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 23 2016, 05:27 PM Post #19
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I don't know. I thought it was pretty funny given the circumstances. What points did you even make that were worth countering anyway? And no, I don't mean that in a ticked off way. I'm seriously just asking.



* Yu Narukami	May 23 2016, 05:35 PM Post #20
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	If ya want evidence of prayer not working, just look at the world. Y'can't expect people to know what others pray for, especially if those prayers are made in private. We can, however, make some guesses. The fact that cancer, illness, death and tragedies are still so rampant across the world should be evidence enough. People are told to 'pray' for individuals all the time, and all that does is provide the person praying with a false sense of accomplishment. If somebody who's been prayed for has been saved, that's due to the medical professionals and their skill. Prayer is merely a coping mechanism. It helps people who're experiencing difficulties by relieving them of responsibility for the outcome.



Billa	May 23 2016, 05:50 PM Post #21
Thala na Gethu! Posts: 4,218 Group: Member Member #7,273 Joined: February 3, 2012 Favourite Anime Nothin What Browser do you use? Nothin Favourite Manga Nothin	Oh so now you're trying to be ignorant to my post & ask whats worth countering? It doesnt concern you in da 1st place. If you wish to engage in proper discussion, remove your ignorant googles & scroll down Page 1 to read my post. Shouldnt be too hard I suppose. I refuse to repeat my points just to be brushed off as "what points are worth countering" My reply was directed at Buuberies who seemingly has nothing to add to the conversation I atleast gave my 2 cents over how moderation is key. How extremist countries/nations that practice extreme level of prayers & religious beliefs to suffer from some form of disasters: war, poverty or social issues (rape etc) While prayers is also a form of faith, hope. It can also come off as cure. Remedy. Healing off pain & liberates tormented souls. As I posted. Mass prayers conducted every year on the eve of most devastating Tsunami incident (which coincidentally falls on Christmas) at Banda Acheh, Indonesia for example Or Japan's 2011 horrific Earthquake + Tsunami + explosion of Nuclear Reactors that killed millions of lives. Prayers conducted all aeound the globe during that period of time certainly resulted in positive outcome as Japan with its effort has managed to overcome such serious setback Points worth countering eh? Ignorance is a word. Oblivious is an emotion. Lol



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 23 2016, 05:53 PM Post #22
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Sure, I'll remove my ignorant googles... lol There is no evidence to suggest that mass prayer is the reason for Japan recovering. Point countered.



* Yu Narukami	May 23 2016, 05:54 PM Post #23
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Billa May 23 2016, 05:50 PM While prayers is also a form of faith, hope. It can also come off as cure. Remedy. Healing off pain & liberates tormented souls. As I posted. Mass prayers conducted every year on the eve of most devastating Tsunami incident (which coincidentally falls on Christmas) at Banda Acheh, Indonesia for example Or Japan's 2011 horrific Earthquake + Tsunami + explosion of Nuclear Reactors that killed millions of lives. Prayers conducted all aeound the globe during that period of time certainly resulted in positive outcome as Japan with its effort has managed to overcome such serious setback Is there any actual proof to support this. I can't find anything that even implies a link between people praying for Japan after the Tsunami and the resulting recovery. All I can see is that Japan managed to cope with the disaster and deal with it as best as they could. To be perfectly honest, prayer is a slap in the face to many people. If people pray for a person's life to be saved during surgery and that ends up being the case, the doctor's skill and achievement is drowned out by thanking God for saving the individual.



Daemon Keido	May 23 2016, 06:00 PM Post #24
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	We make our own miracles. The power of positive thinking is often underestimated but do not assume that prayer alone EVER did any good. After all, how often have we prayed for a bolt of lightning to strike down someone we hated with every fibre of our being?
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+ Pointer	May 23 2016, 06:06 PM Post #25
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Daemon_Rising May 23 2016, 06:00 PM We make our own miracles. The power of positive thinking is often underestimated but do not assume that prayer alone EVER did any good. After all, how often have we prayed for a bolt of lightning to strike down someone we hated with every fibre of our being? its not how praying works I mean if you pray for 10 billion dollar each and every day but you aint do s*** about it, it will most likely never happen.



Daemon Keido	May 23 2016, 06:09 PM Post #26
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	That would depend on WHICH god you prayed to, wouldn't it? A god of vengeance and punishment would likely look kindly upon a strikedown prayer.
	A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects


EMIYA	May 23 2016, 06:14 PM Post #27
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Prayer isn't something that can be measured and controlled because its an ideology run by a force that can't be studied. You can't say that mass prayer helped to the issue of the 2011 Japanese Tsunami, there's no evidence for this. This is especially pointed that if the idea of prayer from others do not reach the minds of those who are supposed to hear them, how can they except to accomplish something? One can make the argument that if a person prays or hears someone praying for them, offering them hope and the desire to continue, psychologically, they too will want to improve themselves and work harder. How a group may get behind another person, telling them how they've got their back or are supporting them all the way. A person who knows others are praying for their support can easily give them a sense of hope and increase positive emotion. But that's not religion, that's science. Plus, prayer according to some definitions, doesn't necessarily have to be related to a deity. It can also be an expression of an earnest request or wish. Prayers and wishes aren't meant to be answered, they're meant to give hope and it's up to the individual to use that hope, again a psychological point, not religious, to hopefully accomplish their desires.



+ Pointer	May 23 2016, 06:20 PM Post #28
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Daemon_Rising May 23 2016, 06:09 PM That would depend on WHICH god you prayed to, wouldn't it? A god of vengeance and punishment would likely look kindly upon a strikedown prayer. what i trying to say is that no matter how hard you pray for something IF you dont do anything to achieve it



Daemon Keido	May 23 2016, 06:24 PM Post #29
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Which was the point of my previous post you quoted as well
	A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects


*Copy_Ninja*	May 23 2016, 06:26 PM Post #30
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	A bit more respect in this thread please, a couple of posts now have stepped over the line. Be nice to each other etc.
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