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How come there is so many Christian churches
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lazerbem	May 16 2016, 08:56 PM Post #31
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Darkness Flame May 16 2016, 08:04 PM I am not all that adept at the Bible, did God himself not have a leading role in the creation of the scriptures? Most of it, but there are parts of it that are just recounts by other people, Paul's letters among them. @OFG and @Darkness Flame This isn't a "Is God real or not?" thread, if it was, it'd be in deep discussion. Let's not get into that debate again.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 16 2016, 08:57 PM Post #32
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	lazerbem May 16 2016, 08:56 PM Darkness Flame May 16 2016, 08:04 PM I am not all that adept at the Bible, did God himself not have a leading role in the creation of the scriptures? Most of it, but there are parts of it that are just recounts by other people, Paul's letters among them. @OFG and @Darkness Flame This isn't a "Is God real or not?" thread, if it was, it'd be in deep discussion. Let's not get into that debate again. I don't think that was ever a part of my discussion. I merely mentioned it because he asked something that begged that type of response from me. "did God himself not have a leading role in the creation of the scriptures?" I don't think I could have responded in any other way. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, May 16 2016, 08:57 PM.



Daemon Keido	May 16 2016, 08:57 PM Post #33
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Council of Nicaea, The men who decided what entered the bible Generally that should be enough. If you need more you can use that as a jumping-off point. Edited by Daemon Keido, May 16 2016, 09:03 PM.
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Dankness Lava	May 16 2016, 09:00 PM Post #34
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Daemon Keido	May 16 2016, 09:02 PM Post #35
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Those men wrote the bible, insomuch as decided what gospels were put into it. No evidence has ever been found as to who specifically first wrote the gospels they debated about as far as I know.
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* Sousen Ichimonji	May 16 2016, 09:21 PM Post #36
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	If you want to read about a fascinating rift in Christian thought, check out Marcion. Early Christian convert and gnostic theologian who believed that the God Jesus spoke about couldn't be the same one from the Torah. Gathered and composed all the writings he could find that didn't reference what would become the old testament and tried to take all the traces of Judaism out of Christianity. His was the first attempt at a bible, and the growing church authority produced their own bible as a way to defeat his ideas. Edited by Sousen Ichimonji, May 16 2016, 09:22 PM.
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Zoom	May 17 2016, 01:09 AM Post #37
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	lazerbem May 16 2016, 11:39 AM If I'm not mistaken, Moses was before Jesus. Therefore, if given to Moses, Jesus wouldn't be in it. @SSj4 Gotenks You could study theology if you're interested. Thanks. ObsessiveFanGirl May 16 2016, 04:41 AM Do some research on the books of the bible that weren't even included in the final product. Now that's some interesting stuff. Religion is man-made. 'nuff said. Thanks, i guess, i have to the research myself going through 877 pages of the Holy Bible. Wow. This is going to be the last time I'm going to help you. Next time i'm going to say the same you said to me. Daemon_Rising May 16 2016, 04:26 AM SSj4 Gotenks May 16 2016, 04:17 AM Is there a way to find out which is the correct teachings? @People who are religious. I'm not religious, but I would like to learn trying to understand why people have so much faith in Jesus. That is the thing: how do you determine "the right path"? Christianity has undergone several dozen (if not hundreds) of schisms where somebody eventually said: "Screw that noise! You got it all wrong! THIS is what Jesus meant and THIS is what his teachings want us to do!" When you make a basis of thought on stories that were translated several times over, things get lost in translation. Which means you may very well have missed the point. I suppose you could argue it is the first variant of Christianity, the type that was born DIRECTLY from Jesus himself. But do not mistake that variant for the type that we acknowledge as the oldest known (Catholicism). Catholics fought several hundred years after Jesus death over which gospels were canon at all. And men decided from there what made sense in their collective eyes and what did not. But if they disregarded gospels which were in fact the actual truth, can you call it the one true path? From there you are gonna get into a kettle of fish you may not want to approach in religious company. That's the thing, even some Christian factions don't believe in the Catholic teachings saying they went off path and some actually made bold claims that Catholic chuch is the anti-christ. Example: The 10 commandments are different in Catholic edition of the Bible compared to Church of God's Holy Bible. Another example is some churches believe that there's God the mother and God the father.



lazerbem	May 17 2016, 01:13 AM Post #38
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Well yeah, that's to be expected. There's schisms within schisms like the Puritans and the Anglican Church. Slightly different ideas can become big differences if enough people take to the slightly different ideas. Again, I really recommend you read a book on Christianity and its history if you're really interested. But these aren't going to be short reads if you want to understand the reasons for each particular split and how each split developed. Edited by lazerbem, May 17 2016, 01:16 AM.
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+ QueenTD	May 17 2016, 01:40 AM Post #39
My Dear Melancholy, Posts: 4,480 Group: Elite Member Member #11,589 Joined: August 8, 2014 Gender Female Country United States	I always thought churches were a business and the more you have. The more money the churches, donations, and the community get. Or the dirty priest who takes it. I don't go to church so they aint getting my money haha. I do praise the lord at home when I eat or when I going through hard times. Typically boost my moral.
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lazerbem	May 17 2016, 02:15 AM Post #40
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	He means different sects of Christianity.
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+ QueenTD	May 17 2016, 04:01 AM Post #41
My Dear Melancholy, Posts: 4,480 Group: Elite Member Member #11,589 Joined: August 8, 2014 Gender Female Country United States	Well my comment seems stupid now. Um...different interpretations and methods I guess. To many it's all the same with the same end goal Edited by QueenTD, May 17 2016, 04:01 AM.
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+ Ginyu	May 17 2016, 06:59 AM Post #42
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Darkness Flame May 16 2016, 08:52 PM Buuberries May 16 2016, 08:50 PM Darkness Flame May 16 2016, 07:33 PM Well, if the men did so with guidance from God, calling it simply manmade is a bit of a misnomer. You should tell me more about the omitted books. ur begging the question tho What do you mean? OFG you basically admitted you don't have proof I think. This is what's wrong with debating religion. The religious will keep asking questions, and keep asking for proof, and when finally an atheist/agnostic doesn't show evidence, they're wrong. You ask for proof when you've supported your claim with proof and someone else countered it without proof. That's when you burden someone with evidence. If you ask a question and someone else answers it, you either accept it or do your own research. This is not how discussions work.
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Sam	May 17 2016, 02:47 PM Post #43
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	It's pretty simple. OFG touched on it. Everyone has their own different versions of God. Not just the obvious major differences in the Abrahamic god between Christianity, Judaism and Islam, but, also in Christianity itself and individual Christians as well. They cherry pick their favorite parts out of the Bible, ignore certain other parts or simply haven't read or don't understand others creating a slightly varied version of god from person to person. This god is an amalgamation of their morals and belief systems and thus is truly not an accurate reflection of the Biblical god character, but, rather a manifestation of that persons' own personal beliefs and opinions into a god. It's a scary, sobering reality and is also why religion has been so dangerous and violent in the world, today and reflected in history. It also explains why there are so many churches. People can't agree on one specific ideal template for god, so, you have Protestants, Catholics, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Methodists, Nontrinitarianists (Mormons, for example), and more subgroups that belong to each chapter. Even within these groups, though, again, as I said, nobody has an exact version of god in their head as the next guy due to how they were raised, beliefs, and their understanding/interpretation of the material. But at least they are much closer on agreement, than, say a Christian and a Muslim or a Muslim and a Jew. By the way guys, this isn't another of the endless "is God real?" debates. In any discussion, the person making a claim bears the burden of proving its validity. This is why atheists and agnostics should stick to probabilities rather than absolutes, which automatically forces the religious to have the burden of proof. However, if the original debate is started by someone making a claim from either side, then, it's on them, not you, regardless of whatever statements thereafter that you make, for them to produce proof. Try to avoid this discussion, however, as it merely leads to semantics. Edited by Sam, May 17 2016, 02:52 PM.
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DanielSan	May 22 2016, 12:44 AM Post #44
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Honestly it is very simple. Humans just inherently have to find they own way to see something. In this time most people in the 1st world aren't forced to follow a single religion, therefore, it leads to people going their own way. Most people are just going to follow what their parents believe. Honestly ever since the Catholics corrupted ways in the Middle Ages, Christianity has been evolving. Hell the Catholic Bible has extra books. People that read the bible will interpret it in different ways. Religion is not an exact science, therefore, people will either add their own ideas or they will withhold text from the Bible that does not support their agenda. Religion these days is a pattern. Almost all people I know that are Christians have parents that are Christians. In the United States, even though it does not have an official religion, Christianity is ingrained in our culture. Our currency, literature, art, entertainment, and even our history was influenced by Christianity. Books such as Moby Dick has a lot of biblical references. In extreme religious environments you pretty much have no choice but to follow Christianity. Some parents will browbeat their children to tears if they were to express any kind of "secular" leanings. Most people want to fit in and they would rather not deal with the bombardments of "you are going to hell" by their family members. For the most extreme Christian communities they will paint a picture of a person that is godless. They make it seem as if the person that is godless is devoid of self-worth and dignity. That paint the picture that the only way to living a successful happy life is to have a belief in god.



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