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The Bleach Team vs Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super
Topic Started: May 15 2016, 09:48 PM (2,755 Views)
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How far would Everyone and Everything in the Bleach Franchise as One Big Team make it in Dragon Ball, Z, GT, and Super?
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I don't think so...

Maybe he just imagined himself being alive and once his imagination was broken he just kind of died...
Or perhaps Juha took his power because he was defeated.

Really though Kubo has wrote himself in to a hole with Juha, considering he has the powers of ALL the Quincies defeated thus far.
Pretty much the only non stupid way to beat him now is for Ichigo to uncharacteristically have his own reality warping powers :rofl:

Unless he does just completely null Juha's power for some contrived reason.
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May 16 2016, 05:25 PM
There's a big difference between 40C and −273.15C which is the temperature of Absolute Zero.

Of course the thing with Absolute Zero is that, this isn't just the idea of things become really cold. It's the point where atomic structure just ceases to move. Once you've hit Absolute Zero, that's the point where your atoms pretty much stop. Someone like Majin Boo whose body clearly doesn't obey the usual laws of physics may not have the same effect. But if someone like Piccolo, Goku or even Vegetto was struck by Absolute Zero temperature, they'd ultiamtely be reduced to an immovable state because their entire atomic structure has just been frozen.

This doesn't really mean Rukia can just one shot everyone as it probably takes time for the temperatures to drop that low and the fighters can ultimately react at some point before Absolute Zero hits. But the overall point I'm making is that with perhaps some arguable exception, people in DBZ are not tanking or surviving Absolute Zero temperatures.
I always figured absolute zero was literally zero degrees. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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May 16 2016, 08:43 PM
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May 16 2016, 05:25 PM
There's a big difference between 40C and −273.15C which is the temperature of Absolute Zero.

Of course the thing with Absolute Zero is that, this isn't just the idea of things become really cold. It's the point where atomic structure just ceases to move. Once you've hit Absolute Zero, that's the point where your atoms pretty much stop. Someone like Majin Boo whose body clearly doesn't obey the usual laws of physics may not have the same effect. But if someone like Piccolo, Goku or even Vegetto was struck by Absolute Zero temperature, they'd ultiamtely be reduced to an immovable state because their entire atomic structure has just been frozen.

This doesn't really mean Rukia can just one shot everyone as it probably takes time for the temperatures to drop that low and the fighters can ultimately react at some point before Absolute Zero hits. But the overall point I'm making is that with perhaps some arguable exception, people in DBZ are not tanking or surviving Absolute Zero temperatures.
I always figured absolute zero was literally zero degrees. Thanks for the enlightenment.
It's zero degrees Kelvin
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Yup all that hax is nice and all but too bad no one besides Ywach and that ink guy has the speed to even keep up in the Saiyan saga let alone the buu saga, what the hell is wrong with you people? XD
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Well, you could prove that they're faster than the One Piece characters instead of putting up laughing emoticons.

Seriously I know nothing about OP, but even I know that you're generally supposed to provide backing for arguments instead of laughing like it's soooooo obvious.

And frankly even if it is that obvious then it should be child's play to prove everyone saying One Piece is faster wrong. So just do it. Prove they're faster like you know they are. Show a speed feat, or multiple speed feats, and prove it. This should be easy if you're laughing this hard right?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Give me a list of characters who can defeat Bankai Yamamoto or even better...touch him.

I'll start.

SSJ4 Goku (Evil Dragon's Arc)

SSJ4 Vegeta

Nouva Shenron

Xi Xing Long/Syn Shenron

Super Xi Xing Long/Omega Shenron

SSJ4 Gogeta

And out of all of those, only the last two can probably handle Yamamoto's intense temperatures without having to worry about damaging themselves that much.

That's what the DBZ and other verses are facing, those single people who just have insane abilities that no amount of strength or speed is going to stop. At this point, Babidi and his magic have a better chance of dealing with Bleach than the sheer ki or strength of the fighters.
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May 16 2016, 10:08 PM
Give me a list of characters who can defeat Bankai Yamamoto or even better...touch him.

I'll start.

SSJ4 Goku (Evil Dragon's Arc)

SSJ4 Vegeta

Nouva Shenron

Xi Xing Long/Syn Shenron

Super Xi Xing Long/Omega Shenron

SSJ4 Gogeta

And out of all of those, only the last two can probably handle Yamamoto's intense temperatures without having to worry about damaging themselves that much.

That's what the DBZ and other verses are facing, those single people who just have insane abilities that no amount of strength or speed is going to stop. At this point, Babidi and his magic have a better chance of dealing with Bleach than the sheer ki or strength of the fighters.
What about Eis Shenron? Can't he manipulate ice to the extent of Toshiro or Rukia? Do you think Naturon Shenron can probably get him by surprise and steal his body?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

As far as I know...and by all means correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Eis can reach up to Absolute Zero. He probably has the same level of...temperature zone as Rukia and Hitsuguya but I doubt he has the same level of expertise when it comes to controlling ice, but then again I could be wrong there. I'm not sure how he's going to survive Yamamoto's Bankai though.

As for Nautron, I'm not sure, its been a while since I've seen him fight. If he doesn't have to physically get near Yamamoto, sure I see no reason why his body steal won't work. One of the biggest problems besides the intense heat with Yamamoto is the sheer scale expands over. Everyone across Seretei was feeling this and if it had gone on, he would have started destroy dimensions.
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May 16 2016, 09:33 PM
Well, you could prove that they're faster than the One Piece characters instead of putting up laughing emoticons.

Seriously I know nothing about OP, but even I know that you're generally supposed to provide backing for arguments instead of laughing like it's soooooo obvious.

And frankly even if it is that obvious then it should be child's play to prove everyone saying One Piece is faster wrong. So just do it. Prove they're faster like you know they are. Show a speed feat, or multiple speed feats, and prove it. This should be easy if you're laughing this hard right?
Eeerrmmm I think you're in the wrong thread, this is Bleach vs DB/Z/GT/Super not One Piece :P
You're looking for the One Piece vs The Saiyans thread.
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They blend together for me, I don't know anything about Bleach either. And the problems still stand. Evidence is needed. Not emoticons.
I can do that easily: :) ^_^ :lol: :T_T: :w00t: :w00t: :'( :p :cool: :( :| :| :cool: :cool: :errm: <_< :arrg: :hello: :hello: :sos: :police: :wub: :ssss: :gokudance:

Evidence is what's important here. Just laughing does nothing but make you look like a jerk. And if you're gonna do that, you could at least provide evidence with it.
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

Bleach characters are quite fast indeed.

They move fast enough that it appears they're almost teleporting.

One guy can move so fast that he can practically create a clone of himself. Not an afterimage, he's effectively in 3 places at once.


I don't think they'd get past Z for speed but the most broken powers don't even need to as they're AoE things. Barragan can just go have a nap, nobody can get near him.

Also a number of characters can just basically warp in to other dimensions so the whole busting argument definitely doesn't work here before people throw that out as usual.
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Anyway just go look at the character Profiles over at http://vsbattles.wikia.com/
You'll see that the Bleach characters are vastly inferior in every stat besides Hax when compared to even DBZ characters.

Here's the profiles for bleach -> http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Bleach
Here's the profiles for DBZ -> http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball
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May 16 2016, 06:55 PM
But Gremmy never attempts it. Greemy as far as he's concerned, believes he's the strongest thing in the world and that his power is basically unstoppable. Kenpachi was literally the first person to ever give him a challenge I believe. He never even attempts to try his real reality warping powers like he did before on Kenpachi, opting instead for just a straight physical approach.

And the thing is, even if his reality warping powers can't work on Kenpachi directly, Gremmy never tries to utilize his powers in the same way as he did before. He never creates a whole new life with brand new powers like he did with the Vanishing Point (That was was the person's name). He never attempts to use that nigh invincible imagination to create I don't know...a gun that shoots bullets hotter than the sun.

The basic point being that, Gremmy's power and imagination was seemingly limited only to how far his imagination could go and that what regardless of what he imagines, his own physical capabilities had to match up with it. You had a very broken character and in the end, he was not utilized to his full capabilities. Then again, once you have someone as broken as Gremmy to defeat.

You either got to heavily nerf him, or you've got to get a character out that is every bit as broken and haxed as he is.

I mean how much limit does his Reitsu have. Because even without effecting other people, he was opening up space, firing off multiple missiles, dropping giant meteors and probably one of his best feats, The Vanishing Point. He literally creates an entire new life, soul, body, with a mind of it sown. That's one of the most insane things to come out of this series.

So I have to ask, where is the limit to this...absurd power of his. The manga seems to at least make the point that despite how powerful Gremm's ability may be, he has to take into account all the possibilities of how that power will react. For example let's say he created a giant gun that shot things. Fair enough, but if he doesn't have a way to deal with the massive recoil of it, he may find himself facing difficulties. That was apparently the problem here with Kenpachi. He could easily copy his powers but he never thought to deal with his own body and the fact that it would tear him apart.
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And on Barragan. Does Aizen ever face Respira at all? I mean we know Aizen pretty much wrecks Barragan when he first arrives at Hueco Mundo. But doe she ever actually get into a position where Respira doesn't effect him? I infer that even if Barragan did try something, Aizen's hax illusions would keep him safe and once Barragan drops his guard its over. It's not like Barragan just walks around spitting up Respira.
Using only in-universe explanations, he doesn't even attempt it because he can't. He was pushed into a corner multiple times and never used "real" reality warping. Most likely because he was limited by Reaitsu. I mean you just can't ignore Aizen's statement. It wraps around the entire series and makes you resort to PIS explanations way less.

I'm pretty sure Gremmy did create life during their battle. He made a clone of himself and that was the reason he even explained the power in the first place. The question is whether he can imagine something as strong as Kenpachi. And by as strong it's obviously equivalent to anything on the level of that Reiatsu. The gap between him and the girl was probably massive, so he could play around and use whatever level of warping he wanted on her. Author's put these limits for a reason. Kubo isn't an award winning writer, but he does pay specific attention to abilities and powers.

There's no reason to try to make this into a dichotomy of him being incredibly weak or incredibly strong. He's only as strong as his Reiatsu. While his ability probably gives him the ability to defeat someone stronger than him, it's made fairly clear it's not a no limits type of thing and no reason to force it to be one.

None of Gremmy's creations were something outside of the power that Kenpachi couldn't deal with. The issue is creating a weapon that Kenpachi can't deal with. Direct reality warping onto a person is implied to be limited by the Reaitsu difference.

Aizen most likely did face Respira. Barragan was a very prideful King before fighting Aizen. There's no way he'd bow down to anyone if they didn't defeat him by sheer force. Beating someone by hiding behind an illusion doesn't give the impression of defeating them through power. He says Aizen was "stronger" - hardly gives the impression of an illusion battle. Not to mention Aizen was mentioned to be the war potential of overwhelming Reiatsu recently.

Which also reminds me of the fact that Aizen didn't believe he could keep Yamamato under illusion despite him seeing his Shikai and had to keep a specific counter for his ability.

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May 16 2016, 11:22 PM
Anyway just go look at the character Profiles over at http://vsbattles.wikia.com/
You'll see that the Bleach characters are vastly inferior in every stat besides Hax when compared to even DBZ characters.

Here's the profiles for bleach -> http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Bleach
Here's the profiles for DBZ -> http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball
Vs battles thinks Squall is galaxy level and thought Celestia was solar system level. I don't trust anything from them without evidence.
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May 16 2016, 11:29 PM
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May 16 2016, 11:22 PM
Anyway just go look at the character Profiles over at http://vsbattles.wikia.com/
You'll see that the Bleach characters are vastly inferior in every stat besides Hax when compared to even DBZ characters.

Here's the profiles for bleach -> http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Bleach
Here's the profiles for DBZ -> http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball
Vs battles thinks Squall is galaxy level and thought Celestia was solar system level. I don't trust anything from them without evidence.
All the stats, calculations, feats and scaling are all right there. I don't really know what you want then exactly. Also if you don't know Bleach why are you even arguing on this thread exactly? :V
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