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Movie 8 Goku (post energy absorption) vs
Topic Started: May 5 2016, 09:22 PM (937 Views)
gokussj1000
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How is base gotenks>ssj3 goku
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Alright, instead of redoing all that for the 547th time, can someone link me a dedicated post that covers all the feats and statements supporting:

SSJ3 Gotenks ~ Super Boo > SSJ2 Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks > Base Gotenks post > SSJ Gotenks pre > SSJ3 Goku.

I'm sure I've seen it here before.
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gokussj1000
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what thats ridiculous gotenks couldnt become that strong that fast
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Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!”
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…”


Goku admits that Gotenks (Super Saiyan as one would believe) can defeat Fat Boo and makes multiple points on just how amazing fusion is. Goku shows absolute confidence in the fusion where as he himself makes remarks that in the end he still didn't think he could defeat Boo.
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Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P10.7
Context: after Goten and Trunks question Goku’s power and Piccolo gets mad
Goku: “It’s alright, Piccolo…I really am weak. It don’t look like I can beat Majin Boo, not even a little bit.”


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Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8, P11.1-3
Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?”
Goku: “Nah, I don’t know…When it comes to Majin Boo’s strength, it’s like a lie…I think that I probably couldn’t have won…”
Piccolo: “…Probably? Knowing you, why didn’t you try until the very end?...Does it have to do with that energy…?”
Goku: “No…I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…


So right now, without getting into specific gaps what you have right now is.

SSJ Gotenks (pre)>Fat Boo>SSJ3 Goku.

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Chapter: 480 (DBZ 286), P13.2-3
Context: after Gotenks returns from fighting Boo
Gotenks: “I got the tar beaten out of me…”
Piccolo: “Alright, your fight with Majin Boo is 1 day from now! Until then, train as much as you can! If you get even a little bit stronger, it will be more effective when you perform Fusion. Got that, you miserable little punks?!”


Base Gotenks of course gets the ever loving snot beat out of him off screen.

SSJ Gotenks (Pre)>Fat Boo>SSj3 Goku>Base Gotenks

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Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
Vegeta: “Let me see this ‘Super Saiyan 3’ thing with my own eyes…”
Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”


Goku being a compulsive liar, admits that he could have defeated Fat Boo. While this indicates Goku has surpassed Fat Boo, it does not say he has surpassed SSJ Gotenks. Also while were at it, you have Goku and Kid Boo more or less rivaling each other.

SSJ Gotenks (Pre)>SSJ3 Goku~Kid Boo>Fat Boo>Base Gotenks.

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Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5
Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks train in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”


But then Super Boo comes in all deranged and powerful and Piccolo makes it very clear that Gotenks has no chance whatsoever and tells him to get into the ROSAT.

Super Boo>>>SSJ Gotenks (Pre)>SSj3 Goku~Kid Boo>Fat Boo>Base Gotenks.

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Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”


But upon seeing Base Gotenks in the ROSAT, Piccolo who was begging for miracles before, actually thinks Gotenks might have a chance, and is in fact shocked that he can still transform into a Super Saiyan. Of course he still ends up being wrong about Gotenks being able to defeat Boo but by his own admittance, he has far more confidence in this Gotenks than the one before. By virtue of what happens later, this also means boo is stronger than SSJ Gotenks and the theoretical SSj2 Gotenks.

Super Boo>>>SSj2 Gotenks>SSJ Gotenks>Base Gotenks(Post)>SSJ Gotenks(Pre)>SSj3 Goku~Kid Boo>Fat Boo>Base Gotenks

And then lastly once SSj3 Gotenks is born, he is capable of rivaling Super Boo, give or take whatever advantage you want really.

SSJ3 Gotenks~SuperBoo>SSJ2 Gotenks>SSj Gotenks>Base Gotenks(Post)>SSj Gotenks(Pre)>SSj3 Goku~Kid Boo>Fat Boo>Base Gotenks.

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what thats ridiculous gotenks couldnt become that strong that fast


We're talking about a series with aliens, wish-granting dragons, and talking, shape-shifting pigs and cats. Characters can get as strong as the plot wants them to be.
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