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Topic Started: May 5 2016, 02:39 PM (1,349 Views)
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Bro, when I said Sosón Goku was stronger than all those other Gokus, I wasn't serious :p
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To be fair, dbs has god tiers at ten times the soured of sound (ssjgssjkkx10) and their strength cap at around 1000 tons (Vegeta ssj vs Magetta). How's Dragon Fall in those departments?
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Much faster then sound and lie in the speed of light and faster. Physically, SSJB is weaker then SSJ4 but Goku from Super would still oneshot since he and Beerus were fighting just as hard though they didn't have the shockwaves.
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And the 1000~ tons? Evidently what you need to burst the universe is about 1000 tons of lifting strength being used instead to punch. Not sure what the ratio from lifting to punching is but it ain't that big.
And no, ten times the speed of sound isn't even close to the speed of light.
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And the 1000~ tons? Evidently what you need to burst the universe is about 1000 tons of lifting strength being used instead to punch.
And no, ten times the speed of sound isn't even close to the speed of light.
Where are you getting this sound level speed from? I said Blue is weaker then 4 on the physical level but they're not physically folding the universe, their using different muscle fibers when they're punching, pulling and lifting. All strength correlates but not linear.
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I doubt you'd be able to destroy the universe with 1000 tons of lifting strength, no matter how well you threw your punches. It's not linear but I doubt you can get 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 from a punch if you can't even reach 1000 by lifting. This shockwaves presumably came from physical force right? So for webserver reason, 1000 ton strength let's you destroy the universe. Vegeta clearly considers it heavy. Also Hit's speed feat, I discussed it heavily in the thread discussing Goku's speed in the dbs section. Just skip past Nagito and Broly discussing whether one can be FTT or not.
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What's this 1000 tons thing?

Also idk what dragon fall is
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May 5 2016, 03:02 PM
To be fair, dbs has god tiers at ten times the soured of sound (ssjgssjkkx10) and their strength cap at around 1000 tons (Vegeta ssj vs Magetta). How's Dragon Fall in those departments?
Sosón Goku is barely above human level in terms of strength and speed, but he can survive nearly everything, very Looney Tunes-like. And believe it or not, he's actually even more retarded than DB Abridged Goku. Remember how Freeza asked Abridged Goku how he functioned, being so stupid? Well with Sosón Freeza wouldn't ask that question. Sosón Goku doesn't function, he's on par with Patrick Star when it comes to stupidity godhood.

Fun trivia, Freeza is gay in Dragon Fall and when he revelead that in front of the main characters, all of them went: "No s***.", even Goku was kinda sarcastic in his own stupid way.

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What's this 1000 tons thing?

Also idk what dragon fall is


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Dragon Fall is a spanish parody of DBZ. Don't worry about the thread though, pretty sure it's a joke.
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May 5 2016, 03:19 PM
I doubt you'd be able to destroy the universe with 1000 tons of lifting strength, no matter how well you threw your punches. It's not linear but I doubt you can get 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 from a punch if you can't even reach 1000 by lifting. This shockwaves presumably came from physical force right? So for webserver reason, 1000 ton strength let's you destroy the universe. Vegeta clearly considers it heavy. Also Hit's speed feat, I discussed it heavily in the thread discussing Goku's speed in the dbs section. Just skip past Nagito and Broly discussing whether one can be FTT or not.
Magetta could've been pressing down too, not like he'll just let himself be lifted. What speed feat? Him crossing the ring don't prove anything about him being sound level. You noticed that they seem slow to us but to the other characters they're perceived as too fast? Hit moving that "slow" is just for us to see what the heck he's doing.

Even The Flash seems like he's "slow" but going mach 13 is much faster then what any normal human can actively keep up with.
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May 5 2016, 04:16 PM
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To be fair, dbs has god tiers at ten times the soured of sound (ssjgssjkkx10) and their strength cap at around 1000 tons (Vegeta ssj vs Magetta). How's Dragon Fall in those departments?
Sosón Goku is barely above human level in terms of strength and speed, but he can survive nearly everything, very Looney Tunes-like. And believe it or not, he's actually even more retarded than DB Abridged Goku. Remember how Freeza asked Abridged Goku how he functioned, being so stupid? Well with Sosón Freeza wouldn't ask that question. Sosón Goku doesn't function, he's on par with Patrick Star when it comes to stupidity godhood.

Fun trivia, Freeza is homosexual in Dragon Fall and when he revelead that in front of the main characters, all of them went: "No s***.", even Goku was kinda sarcastic in his own stupid way.

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Latest manga chapter had Vegeta say that Magetta must be over 1000 tons, the way he said it implied that that was incredibly heavy for him.



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Magetta could've been pressing down too, not like he'll just let himself be lifted. What speed feat? Him crossing the ring don't prove anything about him being sound level. You noticed that they seem slow to us but to the other characters they're perceived as too fast? Hit moving that "slow" is just for us to see what the heck he's doing.

Even The Flash seems like he's "slow" but going mach 13 is much faster then what any normal human can actively keep up with.


We have a specific time frame, .1 seconds. We have a good idea about how big the arena is, and it's no where even close enough that light would take a whole .1 seconds to reach it. I mean you say they're light speed, how big would the arena have to be for light to cross it in .1 seconds or more? It'd have to be 29,979,245.8 meters. Just look at the arena, does that seem like it's anywhere near 30 million meters? or even 1 million?


I don't even know why you think I used that argument, seriously where did you get that? Where did I give off that impression?


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Is that arena 30million meters wide? Are Cabba and Vegeta kaiju now or something? I sincerely doubt they became that large, so the arena must not be millions of meters in diameter.
Hit took .1 seconds to cross it, and Goku became ten times faster at best through ssjgssjkkx10. Vegito has convinced me they're the speed of sound, but I doubt they're the speed of light.



Now that I'm looking Magetta didn't do anything to stop Vegeta until he straight up punched him. So... yeah. A thousand tons (or around that) is too much for ssjg level Vegeta. And Magetta didn't even really do anything to stop Vegeta.
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Next panel is just Magetta hitting Vegeta, he doesn't even seem to be putting any weight onto that leg.
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To be fair, dbs has god tiers at ten times the soured of sound (ssjgssjkkx10) and their strength cap at around 1000 tons (Vegeta ssj vs Magetta). How's Dragon Fall in those departments?
Sosón Goku is barely above human level in terms of strength and speed, but he can survive nearly everything, very Looney Tunes-like. And believe it or not, he's actually even more retarded than DB Abridged Goku. Remember how Freeza asked Abridged Goku how he functioned, being so stupid? Well with Sosón Freeza wouldn't ask that question. Sosón Goku doesn't function, he's on par with Patrick Star when it comes to stupidity godhood.

Fun trivia, Freeza is homosexual in Dragon Fall and when he revelead that in front of the main characters, all of them went: "No s***.", even Goku was kinda sarcastic in his own stupid way.

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Oh, huh, I guess Goku from DBZ wins.

@Ssj3vegito96

Latest manga chapter had Vegeta say that Magetta must be over 1000 tons, the way he said it implied that that was incredibly heavy for him.



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Magetta could've been pressing down too, not like he'll just let himself be lifted. What speed feat? Him crossing the ring don't prove anything about him being sound level. You noticed that they seem slow to us but to the other characters they're perceived as too fast? Hit moving that "slow" is just for us to see what the heck he's doing.

Even The Flash seems like he's "slow" but going mach 13 is much faster then what any normal human can actively keep up with.


We have a specific time frame, .1 seconds. We have a good idea about how big the arena is, and it's no where even close enough that light would take a whole .1 seconds to reach it. I mean you say they're light speed, how big would the arena have to be for light to cross it in .1 seconds or more? It'd have to be 29,979,245.8 meters. Just look at the arena, does that seem like it's anywhere near 30 million meters? or even 1 million?


I don't even know why you think I used that argument, seriously where did you get that? Where did I give off that impression?


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Is that arena 30million meters wide? Are Cabba and Vegeta kaiju now or something? I sincerely doubt they became that large, so the arena must not be millions of meters in diameter.
Hit took .1 seconds to cross it, and Goku became ten times faster at best through ssjgssjkkx10. Vegito has convinced me they're the speed of sound, but I doubt they're the speed of light.



Now that I'm looking Magetta didn't do anything to stop Vegeta until he straight up punched him. So... yeah. A thousand tons (or around that) is too much for ssjg level Vegeta. And Magetta didn't even really do anything to stop Vegeta.
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Next panel is just Magetta hitting Vegeta, he doesn't even seem to be putting any weight onto that leg.
You not hearing me, .1 stuff is the duration he uses to attack before the opponent sees what's coming, that has nothing to do with his speed. While the viewers can actively see what's happening between two characters who are around God territory, while others can't except the Gods who've proven they move MFTL.

Magetta could've been pressing down still, and I forgot that was SSJ Vegeta not SSJB Vegeta, and since SSJG level strength is able to attack with universal force then SSJB is much stronger too.
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To be fair, dbs has god tiers at ten times the soured of sound (ssjgssjkkx10) and their strength cap at around 1000 tons (Vegeta ssj vs Magetta). How's Dragon Fall in those departments?
Sosón Goku is barely above human level in terms of strength and speed, but he can survive nearly everything, very Looney Tunes-like. And believe it or not, he's actually even more retarded than DB Abridged Goku. Remember how Freeza asked Abridged Goku how he functioned, being so stupid? Well with Sosón Freeza wouldn't ask that question. Sosón Goku doesn't function, he's on par with Patrick Star when it comes to stupidity godhood.

Fun trivia, Freeza is homosexual in Dragon Fall and when he revelead that in front of the main characters, all of them went: "No s***.", even Goku was kinda sarcastic in his own stupid way.

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Oh, huh, I guess Goku from DBZ wins.

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Latest manga chapter had Vegeta say that Magetta must be over 1000 tons, the way he said it implied that that was incredibly heavy for him.



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Magetta could've been pressing down too, not like he'll just let himself be lifted. What speed feat? Him crossing the ring don't prove anything about him being sound level. You noticed that they seem slow to us but to the other characters they're perceived as too fast? Hit moving that "slow" is just for us to see what the heck he's doing.

Even The Flash seems like he's "slow" but going mach 13 is much faster then what any normal human can actively keep up with.


We have a specific time frame, .1 seconds. We have a good idea about how big the arena is, and it's no where even close enough that light would take a whole .1 seconds to reach it. I mean you say they're light speed, how big would the arena have to be for light to cross it in .1 seconds or more? It'd have to be 29,979,245.8 meters. Just look at the arena, does that seem like it's anywhere near 30 million meters? or even 1 million?


I don't even know why you think I used that argument, seriously where did you get that? Where did I give off that impression?


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Is that arena 30million meters wide? Are Cabba and Vegeta kaiju now or something? I sincerely doubt they became that large, so the arena must not be millions of meters in diameter.
Hit took .1 seconds to cross it, and Goku became ten times faster at best through ssjgssjkkx10. Vegito has convinced me they're the speed of sound, but I doubt they're the speed of light.



Now that I'm looking Magetta didn't do anything to stop Vegeta until he straight up punched him. So... yeah. A thousand tons (or around that) is too much for ssjg level Vegeta. And Magetta didn't even really do anything to stop Vegeta.
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Next panel is just Magetta hitting Vegeta, he doesn't even seem to be putting any weight onto that leg.
You not hearing me, .1 stuff is the duration he uses to attack before the opponent sees what's coming, that has nothing to do with his speed. While the viewers can actively see what's happening between two characters who are around God territory, while others can't except the Gods who've proven they move MFTL.

Magetta could've been pressing down still, and I forgot that was SSJ Vegeta not SSJB Vegeta, and since SSJG level strength is able to attack with universal force then SSJB is much stronger too.
One: Bulma can see what's happening just fine.
Two: No, you're not hearing me, even if they skipped presenting Hit's rush during the time stop, he still took .1 seconds to get over there, and didn't have enough time to punch Goku multiple times. That's a very clear limit on speed. I am not doing this based on how he looks while running, I am doing it based on the information given to me and the size of the arena, and while the arena requires me to guess I have a good range, and that range is nowhere near a million meters.

"Could" isn't good enough. Vegeta "could" be holding back. The moon "could" be made of cheese. Magetta "could" be pressing down, but it sure has hell doesn't look like it, nor is it stated or implied that he was. And Vegeta's base is ssjg level isn't it? Or what is Whis's training then? Just useless stuff to mess with him, and off screen he just farts god ki all over him? If we're gonna go that far we may as well go all the way and say part of Whis's training was having them one shot Elder God Deamonbane with their pinkie while eating Simon's head with their nostrils and tap dancing to kill the Living Tribunal in base. After all, they "could" have been doing that and everyone else is just that much stronger.

I do not want "could" I want "Is." I want definites, not hypotheticals. If I wanted to see what they're hypothetically capable of I could always just write up something, read fanfiction, or perhaps get an rp in the battlezone going. In Other Versus, I'm allot more strict on what happens.
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Idk. Goku and vegeta did 50,000 handstand push-ups but on one of their thumbs when the weighted outfit made them way over 20 tons(it was said to be harder than bulmas gravity chamber). Something tells me he should be able to lift 1000 tons. If not...idk why it matters. As hard as it might be to believe, being able to lift heavy things doesn't make you hit harder.

As for the speed thing...tinny honestly bro no one is going to go along with it no matter how many times you mention in a bunch of different threads. It's a nitpick that is literally twisting and going against the authors intent. How are you going to convince them to agree with that?
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What episode was that specifically anyway? And while it doesn't translate in a 1:1 fashion, I doubt you could get over one novemdecillion times what you could lift out through a punch. Hell plenty of Goku's training is lifting weights. Like Whis training him and Vegeta and Goku doing it himself on Kai's planet (ruining it on the process) and now the thumb ups you just mentioned. I think it's safe to say Dragon Ball thinks there's a connection.

I honestly don't care that much, I doubt anyone will actually agree anyway, but until I see something that convinces me otherwise, this is what I'm going with. I'm not that opposed to being wrong, it's just that so far no one's brought anything up except "they can't possibly be that slow" And people say that about Gotenks vs Goku "He can't possibly be that strong" and so forth. I mean how do you twist the 1000 ton lifting line to say they can strike 1000^60 tons of force (and I'm probably underestimating this thing greatly with that number).

Besides, at this point I don't think there many people on that side that actually care about what the author does or doesn't intend going from the many arguments I've seen that require so many of the characters to be braindead.
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