SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:36 PM

I already did. Someone that's a Ssj1 level who has a power rating of 100 can destroy planets at max or close to max power outage. Cell who is on Ssj2 level has a rating of 200 can destroy a solar system which equals to the sun which is 109x the diameter of the earth which can fit over 1.300.000 earth inside the sun. You do the math, how many more times is the sun bigger than the earth?

Like i've said it's not linear is it? Then you have Kid Buu with Goku saying if not careful he could make the universe go poof.

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:47 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:36 PM

I already did. Someone that's a Ssj1 level who has a power rating of 100 can destroy planets at max or close to max power outage. Cell who is on Ssj2 level has a rating of 200 can destroy a solar system which equals to the sun which is 109x the diameter of the earth which can fit over 1.300.000 earth inside the sun. You do the math, how many more times is the sun bigger than the earth?

Like i've said it's not linear is it? Then you have Kid Buu with Goku saying if not careful he could make the universe go poof.

That's because there's no notable celestial body that's bigger than a planet but smaller than the Sun. If there was a star half as large as the Sun, somebody who's half the strength of Cell could destroy it. That's just logical. MSSJ Gohan can't only destroy a planet, he can destroy something that's half the size of something he can destroy as a SSJ2.

Unless you think that Boo could wipe out everything in the Universe in an instant (shockwaves in Super were faster than Boo but didn't reach everything instantly), that statement isn't accurate when taken literally.

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:53 PM

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:47 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:36 PM

I already did. Someone that's a Ssj1 level who has a power rating of 100 can destroy planets at max or close to max power outage. Cell who is on Ssj2 level has a rating of 200 can destroy a solar system which equals to the sun which is 109x the diameter of the earth which can fit over 1.300.000 earth inside the sun. You do the math, how many more times is the sun bigger than the earth?

Like i've said it's not linear is it? Then you have Kid Buu with Goku saying if not careful he could make the universe go poof.

That's because there's no notable celestial body that's bigger than a planet but smaller than the Sun. If there was a star half as large as the Sun, somebody who's half the strength of Cell could destroy it. That's just logical. MSSJ Gohan can't only destroy a planet, he can destroy something that's half the size of something he can destroy as a SSJ2.

Unless you think that Boo could wipe out everything in the Universe in an instant (shockwaves in Super were faster than Boo but didn't reach everything instantly), that statement isn't accurate when taken literally.

I don't want to get into super. The sun is 109x the diameter of earth, that means you could fit 1.300.000 earths into the sun.

Maybe Gohan can, maybe Gohan can't, unless you show me the evidence, someone like Cell could leap from planet size to sun is freaking HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. That's blows the linear has to be proportional to be a specific gap because the scaling is so large compared to earth and the sun.

Tinny

May 6 2016, 02:31 PM

He's ten times the soured of sound if he uses ssjgssjkkx10. How fast is ssj4 Goku?

1000 tons says otherwise to the strength statement.

The durability also is linked to the tons, since Beerus obviously held back and the thresh hold for universe busting punches seems to be around the 1000 ton mark, possibly less even if we assume Vegeta is stronger than BoG arc Goku, especially since allot of Goku's training is... Lifting, suggesting there's a connection between punching and lifting. Unless of course you think Goku and Whis are morons.


Like I said, dbs is a mess, they're simultaneously stronger and weaker. Every piece of evidence and proof of strength has another somewhere that contradicts it.

Maybe that's true, or maybe that's false. DBS power scaling everyone, where the scale's made up and the power level doesn't matter.

Solid Snake

May 6 2016, 06:11 PM

Tinny

May 6 2016, 02:31 PM

He's ten times the soured of sound if he uses ssjgssjkkx10. How fast is ssj4 Goku?

1000 tons says otherwise to the strength statement.

The durability also is linked to the tons, since Beerus obviously held back and the thresh hold for universe busting punches seems to be around the 1000 ton mark, possibly less even if we assume Vegeta is stronger than BoG arc Goku, especially since allot of Goku's training is... Lifting, suggesting there's a connection between punching and lifting. Unless of course you think Goku and Whis are morons.


Like I said, dbs is a mess, they're simultaneously stronger and weaker. Every piece of evidence and proof of strength has another somewhere that contradicts it.

Maybe that's true, or maybe that's false. DBS power scaling everyone, where the scale's made up and the power level doesn't matter.

I still don't see where this sound level comes from, that description in the other topic ain't showed me nothing that suggests that.

nerd who needs to get a life A.K.A. Me :P

 

let's assume the arena is one hundred times the length of a boxing ring (I've done this before but bear with me.) that's 760 meters.
If he's light speed, he should be able to make that distance over 390,000 times (specifically 394,463.7605263158). And unless Goku can move through time in regular ssjgssj (making the entire climax of the episode meaningless), then he must have punched Hit after the time leap ended right? So by the end of the Time Leap Hit hasn't crossed the gap and punched Goku, otherwise I doubt Goku would have been able to punch Hit. If he were light speed, he'd be able to make that distance and get at least one punch in. Likely several.

Tinny

May 6 2016, 06:35 PM

Solid Snake

May 6 2016, 06:11 PM

Tinny

May 6 2016, 02:31 PM

He's ten times the soured of sound if he uses ssjgssjkkx10. How fast is ssj4 Goku?

1000 tons says otherwise to the strength statement.

The durability also is linked to the tons, since Beerus obviously held back and the thresh hold for universe busting punches seems to be around the 1000 ton mark, possibly less even if we assume Vegeta is stronger than BoG arc Goku, especially since allot of Goku's training is... Lifting, suggesting there's a connection between punching and lifting. Unless of course you think Goku and Whis are morons.


Like I said, dbs is a mess, they're simultaneously stronger and weaker. Every piece of evidence and proof of strength has another somewhere that contradicts it.

Maybe that's true, or maybe that's false. DBS power scaling everyone, where the scale's made up and the power level doesn't matter.

I still don't see where this sound level comes from, that description in the other topic ain't showed me nothing that suggests that.

Quotingmyself at http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8567272/7/

nerd who needs to get a life A.K.A. Me :P

 

let's assume the arena is one hundred times the length of a boxing ring (I've done this before but bear with me.) that's 760 meters.
If he's light speed, he should be able to make that distance over 390,000 times (specifically 394,463.7605263158). And unless Goku can move through time in regular ssjgssj (making the entire climax of the episode meaningless), then he must have punched Hit after the time leap ended right? So by the end of the Time Leap Hit hasn't crossed the gap and punched Goku, otherwise I doubt Goku would have been able to punch Hit. If he were light speed, he'd be able to make that distance and get at least one punch in. Likely several.

Standard boxing rings are 7.6 meters at most by the way.

This is the maximum estimate, which I'm pretty sure is being waaay more liberal with the size than I should be. Also keep in mind that the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters a second. Hit's speed in this (over)estimation is 7,600 meters per second. and if you factor kaioken that means their best speed is 76,000 meters per second.

76000 meters per second
299792458 meters per second

This is exaggerating their speed in Hit and Goku's fight by the way. So even when I give them a far larger benefit of the doubt than I should (at best I'd imagine it's more like ten times the size, not a hundred) it's still much, much, much slower than light. And once again, I'm exaggerating the size of the arena to make them faster.

This is not 760 meters, not unless those two are really giants, and I'm still coming up short on the speed of light when I go and use Goku's ssjgssjkkx10 to multiply all that.

They're FTS but they're not FTL, certainly here.

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:55 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:53 PM

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:47 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:36 PM

I already did. Someone that's a Ssj1 level who has a power rating of 100 can destroy planets at max or close to max power outage. Cell who is on Ssj2 level has a rating of 200 can destroy a solar system which equals to the sun which is 109x the diameter of the earth which can fit over 1.300.000 earth inside the sun. You do the math, how many more times is the sun bigger than the earth?

Like i've said it's not linear is it? Then you have Kid Buu with Goku saying if not careful he could make the universe go poof.

That's because there's no notable celestial body that's bigger than a planet but smaller than the Sun. If there was a star half as large as the Sun, somebody who's half the strength of Cell could destroy it. That's just logical. MSSJ Gohan can't only destroy a planet, he can destroy something that's half the size of something he can destroy as a SSJ2.

Unless you think that Boo could wipe out everything in the Universe in an instant (shockwaves in Super were faster than Boo but didn't reach everything instantly), that statement isn't accurate when taken literally.

I don't want to get into super. The sun is 109x the diameter of earth, that means you could fit 1.300.000 earths into the sun.

Maybe Gohan can, maybe Gohan can't, unless you show me the evidence, someone like Cell could leap from planet size to sun is freaking HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. That's blows the linear has to be proportional to be a specific gap because the scaling is so large compared to earth and the sun.

Yes, and the gap between MSSJ Gohan and First Form Freeza is huuuuuuuuuuuge.

It's basic logic, really. We don't get a statement about destructive capability between Freeza and Cell, so we base our estimations of characters' DC on them. You've yet to provide any real evidence that counters the fact that Gohan being able to destroy something half the size of something SSJ2 Gohan can destroy is logical.

SSj4 Gotenks

May 7 2016, 10:28 AM

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:55 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:53 PM

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:47 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:36 PM

I already did. Someone that's a Ssj1 level who has a power rating of 100 can destroy planets at max or close to max power outage. Cell who is on Ssj2 level has a rating of 200 can destroy a solar system which equals to the sun which is 109x the diameter of the earth which can fit over 1.300.000 earth inside the sun. You do the math, how many more times is the sun bigger than the earth?

Like i've said it's not linear is it? Then you have Kid Buu with Goku saying if not careful he could make the universe go poof.

That's because there's no notable celestial body that's bigger than a planet but smaller than the Sun. If there was a star half as large as the Sun, somebody who's half the strength of Cell could destroy it. That's just logical. MSSJ Gohan can't only destroy a planet, he can destroy something that's half the size of something he can destroy as a SSJ2.

Unless you think that Boo could wipe out everything in the Universe in an instant (shockwaves in Super were faster than Boo but didn't reach everything instantly), that statement isn't accurate when taken literally.

I don't want to get into super. The sun is 109x the diameter of earth, that means you could fit 1.300.000 earths into the sun.

Maybe Gohan can, maybe Gohan can't, unless you show me the evidence, someone like Cell could leap from planet size to sun is freaking HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. That's blows the linear has to be proportional to be a specific gap because the scaling is so large compared to earth and the sun.

Yes, and the gap between MSSJ Gohan and First Form Freeza is huuuuuuuuuuuge.

It's basic logic, really. We don't get a statement about destructive capability between Freeza and Cell, so we base our estimations of characters' DC on them. You've yet to provide any real evidence that counters the fact that Gohan being able to destroy something half the size of something SSJ2 Gohan can destroy is logical.

Nope.... the gap between Frieza on Namek to Master Gohan is much smaller to the Sun and the Earth. Just like the gap between Ssj2 Goku to Ssj3 is only 4x.

Source - You can fit 109 Earth size planets across the face of the Sun



Do you not realize that the size difference is astronomically huge? ^ is just the diameter of the Sun, if you had Earth size planet as a whole, you can fit 1.300.000, that's one million three hundred thousand Earth's inside the Sun. Mystic Gohan and Ssj3 Gotenks gap is not even that much large. So if they had power levels the Sun is 1.300.000x than the Earth.

If you think Master Gohan is 1.300.000x stronger than Final Form Frieza, then please make your case.

Nagito Komaeda

May 7 2016, 09:37 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 7 2016, 10:28 AM

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:55 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:53 PM

Nagito Komaeda

May 6 2016, 12:47 PM

SSj4 Gotenks

May 6 2016, 12:36 PM

I already did. Someone that's a Ssj1 level who has a power rating of 100 can destroy planets at max or close to max power outage. Cell who is on Ssj2 level has a rating of 200 can destroy a solar system which equals to the sun which is 109x the diameter of the earth which can fit over 1.300.000 earth inside the sun. You do the math, how many more times is the sun bigger than the earth?

Like i've said it's not linear is it? Then you have Kid Buu with Goku saying if not careful he could make the universe go poof.

That's because there's no notable celestial body that's bigger than a planet but smaller than the Sun. If there was a star half as large as the Sun, somebody who's half the strength of Cell could destroy it. That's just logical. MSSJ Gohan can't only destroy a planet, he can destroy something that's half the size of something he can destroy as a SSJ2.

Unless you think that Boo could wipe out everything in the Universe in an instant (shockwaves in Super were faster than Boo but didn't reach everything instantly), that statement isn't accurate when taken literally.

I don't want to get into super. The sun is 109x the diameter of earth, that means you could fit 1.300.000 earths into the sun.

Maybe Gohan can, maybe Gohan can't, unless you show me the evidence, someone like Cell could leap from planet size to sun is freaking HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. That's blows the linear has to be proportional to be a specific gap because the scaling is so large compared to earth and the sun.

Yes, and the gap between MSSJ Gohan and First Form Freeza is huuuuuuuuuuuge.

It's basic logic, really. We don't get a statement about destructive capability between Freeza and Cell, so we base our estimations of characters' DC on them. You've yet to provide any real evidence that counters the fact that Gohan being able to destroy something half the size of something SSJ2 Gohan can destroy is logical.

Nope.... the gap between Frieza on Namek to Master Gohan is much smaller to the Sun and the Earth. Just like the gap between Ssj2 Goku to Ssj3 is only 4x.

Source - You can fit 109 Earth size planets across the face of the Sun



Do you not realize that the size difference is astronomically huge? ^ is just the diameter of the Sun, if you had Earth size planet as a whole, you can fit 1.300.000, that's one million three hundred thousand Earth's inside the Sun. Mystic Gohan and Ssj3 Gotenks gap is not even that much large. So if they had power levels the Sun is 1.300.000x than the Earth.

If you think Master Gohan is 1.300.000x stronger than Final Form Frieza, then please make your case.

No, you don't get what I'm saying. Not every Star is as big as the Sun, and I've said time and again that I'm talking about a hypothetical Star that's half the size of the Sun.