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Castle = Beerus . . . . = SSJBKK times 10 Goku . = SSJB Saiyans . = U6 arc fighters high tiers . = Golden Frieza . = SSJB RoF arc . . = U6 arc fighters low tiers Trees = SSJG = Saiyans post training . . . . . . 10% . . ? Rageta? = SSJ3 Vegito/Gogeta (potentially) . . Buu arc high tiers
That scale is easy to work with.
So basically kaioken didn't multiply your abilities by ten? Or is ssjgssj less than ten percent of Beerus's power? I really doubt Rageta is comparable to ssjgssj. Your scale makes absolutely no sense with what we're shown. Second how do you know those fighters are there and not outright buu high tiers? How do you know Piccolo is god tier and not that Frost is just weaker by the time they face each other? How do you know any of the fighters are where your say they are
And again, is Goku is even 11%, then he should have outright gotten past Beerus and as you imply he's still quite far away, what is kkx10 really a x1.1 multiplier?
They're only "easy to work with" if you cherry pick info.
That gap I have between SSJB Saiyans and SSKBKK times 10 Goku written to scale directly as seen. The Kaioken amped him but it's still not necessarily enough.
The scale's easy to understand, I think you just don't wanna understand tbh.
Nagito - Percentages don't have to be linear while they rise. At 10% I could lift a house and at 15% I could rip apart a continent, at 20% I could destroy the planet etc.
Castle = Beerus . . . . = SSJBKK times 10 Goku . = SSJB Saiyans . = U6 arc fighters high tiers . = Golden Frieza . = SSJB RoF arc . . = U6 arc fighters low tiers Trees = SSJG = Saiyans post training . . . . . . 10% . . ? Rageta? = SSJ3 Vegito/Gogeta (potentially) . . Buu arc high tiers
That scale is easy to work with.
So basically kaioken didn't multiply your abilities by ten? Or is ssjgssj less than ten percent of Beerus's power? I really doubt Rageta is comparable to ssjgssj. Your scale makes absolutely no sense with what we're shown. Second how do you know those fighters are there and not outright buu high tiers? How do you know Piccolo is god tier and not that Frost is just weaker by the time they face each other? How do you know any of the fighters are where your say they are
And again, is Goku is even 11%, then he should have outright gotten past Beerus and as you imply he's still quite far away, what is kkx10 really a x1.1 multiplier?
They're only "easy to work with" if you cherry pick info.
That gap I have between SSJB Saiyans and SSKBKK times 10 Goku written to scale directly as seen. The Kaioken amped him but it's still not necessarily enough.
The scale's easy to understand, I think you just don't wanna understand tbh.
Nagito - Percentages don't have to be linear while they rise. At 10% I could lift a house and at 15% I could rip apart a continent, at 20% I could destroy the planet etc.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
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Castle = Beerus . . . . = SSJBKK times 10 Goku . = SSJB Saiyans . = U6 arc fighters high tiers . = Golden Frieza . = SSJB RoF arc . . = U6 arc fighters low tiers Trees = SSJG = Saiyans post training . . . . . . 10% . . ? Rageta? = SSJ3 Vegito/Gogeta (potentially) . . Buu arc high tiers
That scale is easy to work with.
So basically kaioken didn't multiply your abilities by ten? Or is ssjgssj less than ten percent of Beerus's power? I really doubt Rageta is comparable to ssjgssj. Your scale makes absolutely no sense with what we're shown. Second how do you know those fighters are there and not outright buu high tiers? How do you know Piccolo is god tier and not that Frost is just weaker by the time they face each other? How do you know any of the fighters are where your say they are
And again, is Goku is even 11%, then he should have outright gotten past Beerus and as you imply he's still quite far away, what is kkx10 really a x1.1 multiplier?
They're only "easy to work with" if you cherry pick info.
That gap I have between SSJB Saiyans and SSKBKK times 10 Goku written to scale directly as seen. The Kaioken amped him but it's still not necessarily enough.
The scale's easy to understand, I think you just don't wanna understand tbh.
Nagito - Percentages don't have to be linear while they rise. At 10% I could lift a house and at 15% I could rip apart a continent, at 20% I could destroy the planet etc.
So basically kaioken times ten didn't multiply by ten? Or what? We're given very direct information about both Rageta's strength, and kaioken.
And 10% is .1 0.1 x 10 equals 1 Beerus in this case since we're using percentages and factions, is 1.
No matter where Goku is in this scale if it's above the ten percent, he should have surpassed Beerus with kaioken times ten. That's how multiplication works, this isn't power levels, this is basic math. If X>=10, then X*10>=100.
So instead of (lying and) saying I don't want to understand, why don't you actually explain so that I do understand?
And no Solid Snake, they do, otherwise they aren't percentages. Percentages are explicitly fractions. 10% is 10/100. Increasing it by 2% doesn't make it 11/111 or really any number but 12/100 (there's simplifying it to 3/25 but this is easier to see how they relate). Frankly I was beginning to go with it not being multipliers done if they were large numbers that could explain how the training isn't helping, but kaioken is explicitly multiplying and we know ssjg Goku is stronger than Rageta by a large margin, so we can probably throw that out.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
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That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
That's because there's not really a notable celestial body that fits in between a planet and a sun. Do you think a difference of 4/5x increases destructive capability from 1 to over 1,000,000? That's the difference you're talking about there. If Goku was, say, 4x weaker than Cell, he'd be able to destroy a celestial body 4x smaller than then Sun.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
You're assumption could be wrong from the start, assuming that Beerus was truthful to the 10%, while later episodes blow that statement out of the water. That 6, 10, 15 has to be put in context with Toriyama gave that during BoG. There's a lot more evidence to suggest Beerus lied about lying. Not disagreeing with you totally, but just saying there's a possibility that 10% is not even true.
And two, in dragon ball, that's not how linear power gaps works, Nagito said if you're at 20% you should be able to lift a house that's twice as heavy as you were when you're at 10%. The destructive capabilities does't work like that from Ssj1 to Ssj2, why would strength work like that in dragonball? Sometimes a gap from 100 to 200 makes you way more that twice as strong in destructive capabilities like with Ssj2. The solar system is wayyy bigger than a planet. While other times makes you still around the same capabilities as before. My point there is no linear relationship where it's directly proportional.
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That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
You're assumption could be wrong from the start, assuming that Beerus was truthful to the 10%, while later episodes blow that statement out of the water. That 6, 10, 15 has to be put in context with Toriyama gave that during BoG. There's a lot more evidence to suggest Beerus lied about lying. Not disagreeing with you totally, but just saying there's a possibility that 10% is not even true.
And two, in dragon ball, that's not how linear power gaps works, Nagito said if you're at 20% you should be able to lift a house that's twice as heavy as you were when you're at 10%. The destructive capabilities does't work like that from Ssj1 to Ssj2, why would strength work like that in dragonball? Sometimes a gap of 100 to 200 makes you way more that twice as strong in destructive capabilities like with Ssj2. The solar system is wayyy bigger than a planet. While other times makes you still around the same capabilities as before. My point there is no linear relationship where it's directly proportional.
Well the main point I'm trying to make is that it's impossible to scale with the power level. Yes, or could be that he lied, but that makes it so that both scales of power used are meaningless, and that really turns Beerus into a compulsive liar. I mean let's be honest, Beerus had literally no reason to lie about that, but he did it anyway. And again, if he's willing to lie for literally no reason, why should we trust anything he says? No matter what's we think of the 10% line's trust worthiness, we're left without any consistent scale that makes any sense.
I'm not talking about physical stuff, I'm talking about power level, assuming Goku is above 10%, that scene against Hit has completely destroyed any way that scale could be true, any of the scales so far really.
Literally all we know with certainty is that Beerus is stronger than Goku, almost everything else is up in the air, I guess you could say Hit is as strong as Goku, but that's it. We don't even know where Vegeta is, not really. Presumably he's equal but base Goku gave Hit a nasty gash and from what I could tell took the attacks far better than Vegeta in ssjgssj. Heck we don't even know how much stronger Beerus is. That's how vague, messy, and useless the power scaling here is. I realize I'm kind of repeating myself but there are others who think the power scaling here is workable and fine, but the fact that we don't even know Vegeta and Goku stand in relation to each other should say allot.
This is why i agree with what 'Prince' said about super totally f***ing with the power scales. Even in ep 39(i think or 40) where Hit fights Goku in his base form and was able to survive long enough to come up with a plan to counter. That already destroyed any scaling, we are only told what the characters have done which don't match to what was shown.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
You're assumption could be wrong from the start, assuming that Beerus was truthful to the 10%, while later episodes blow that statement out of the water. That 6, 10, 15 has to be put in context with Toriyama gave that during BoG. There's a lot more evidence to suggest Beerus lied about lying. Not disagreeing with you totally, but just saying there's a possibility that 10% is not even true.
And two, in dragon ball, that's not how linear power gaps works, Nagito said if you're at 20% you should be able to lift a house that's twice as heavy as you were when you're at 10%. The destructive capabilities does't work like that from Ssj1 to Ssj2, why would strength work like that in dragonball? Sometimes a gap from 100 to 200 makes you way more that twice as strong in destructive capabilities like with Ssj2. The solar system is wayyy bigger than a planet. While other times makes you still around the same capabilities as before. My point there is no linear relationship where it's directly proportional.
Can you give examples of somebody being twice as strong having more than twice the destructive capability?
The Solar System is much larger than a planet, but SPC is much, much stronger than First Form Freeza. Even then, all Cell has to do is have enough strength to blow up the Sun. That 'blows away' the Solar System and a Solar System bust is more a feat of attack distance than it is attack potency.
Somebody using 20% of their power isn't gonna be able to destroy, say, 10x more than what they could destroy using 10% of their power. That makes no sense whatsoever.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
You're assumption could be wrong from the start, assuming that Beerus was truthful to the 10%, while later episodes blow that statement out of the water. That 6, 10, 15 has to be put in context with Toriyama gave that during BoG. There's a lot more evidence to suggest Beerus lied about lying. Not disagreeing with you totally, but just saying there's a possibility that 10% is not even true.
And two, in dragon ball, that's not how linear power gaps works, Nagito said if you're at 20% you should be able to lift a house that's twice as heavy as you were when you're at 10%. The destructive capabilities does't work like that from Ssj1 to Ssj2, why would strength work like that in dragonball? Sometimes a gap from 100 to 200 makes you way more that twice as strong in destructive capabilities like with Ssj2. The solar system is wayyy bigger than a planet. While other times makes you still around the same capabilities as before. My point there is no linear relationship where it's directly proportional.
Can you give examples of somebody being twice as strong having more than twice the destructive capability?
The Solar System is much larger than a planet, but SPC is much, much stronger than First Form Freeza. Even then, all Cell has to do is have enough strength to blow up the Sun. That 'blows away' the Solar System and a Solar System bust is more a feat of attack distance than it is attack potency.
Somebody using 20% of their power isn't gonna be able to destroy, say, 10x more than what they could destroy using 10% of their power. That makes no sense whatsoever.
The sun is almost 109 times the diameter of Earth. It is so large that about 1.300.000 planet Earths can fit inside of it.
According to the SEG numbers,
Ssj: 50 Ssj2: 100
So somebody that is only a 50 point increase can destroy that is large as 109 times the diameter of earth which can fit 1.300.000 earths inside the sun.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
You're assumption could be wrong from the start, assuming that Beerus was truthful to the 10%, while later episodes blow that statement out of the water. That 6, 10, 15 has to be put in context with Toriyama gave that during BoG. There's a lot more evidence to suggest Beerus lied about lying. Not disagreeing with you totally, but just saying there's a possibility that 10% is not even true.
And two, in dragon ball, that's not how linear power gaps works, Nagito said if you're at 20% you should be able to lift a house that's twice as heavy as you were when you're at 10%. The destructive capabilities does't work like that from Ssj1 to Ssj2, why would strength work like that in dragonball? Sometimes a gap from 100 to 200 makes you way more that twice as strong in destructive capabilities like with Ssj2. The solar system is wayyy bigger than a planet. While other times makes you still around the same capabilities as before. My point there is no linear relationship where it's directly proportional.
Can you give examples of somebody being twice as strong having more than twice the destructive capability?
The Solar System is much larger than a planet, but SPC is much, much stronger than First Form Freeza. Even then, all Cell has to do is have enough strength to blow up the Sun. That 'blows away' the Solar System and a Solar System bust is more a feat of attack distance than it is attack potency.
Somebody using 20% of their power isn't gonna be able to destroy, say, 10x more than what they could destroy using 10% of their power. That makes no sense whatsoever.
The sun is almost 109 times the diameter of Earth. It is so large that about 1.300.000 planet Earths can fit inside of it.
According to the SEG numbers,
Ssj: 50 Ssj2: 100
So somebody that is only a 50 point increase can destroy that is large as 109 times the diameter of earth which can fit 1.300.000 earths inside the sun.
No, that's false. Somebody who's 50 could destroy something that's half the size of the sun.
MSSJ Gohan is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First-form Freeza, and not being able to destroy the Sun doesn't mean that you've only got enough power to destroy a single planet; Gohan could destroy a Star that's half the size of the Sun.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
You're assumption could be wrong from the start, assuming that Beerus was truthful to the 10%, while later episodes blow that statement out of the water. That 6, 10, 15 has to be put in context with Toriyama gave that during BoG. There's a lot more evidence to suggest Beerus lied about lying. Not disagreeing with you totally, but just saying there's a possibility that 10% is not even true.
And two, in dragon ball, that's not how linear power gaps works, Nagito said if you're at 20% you should be able to lift a house that's twice as heavy as you were when you're at 10%. The destructive capabilities does't work like that from Ssj1 to Ssj2, why would strength work like that in dragonball? Sometimes a gap from 100 to 200 makes you way more that twice as strong in destructive capabilities like with Ssj2. The solar system is wayyy bigger than a planet. While other times makes you still around the same capabilities as before. My point there is no linear relationship where it's directly proportional.
Can you give examples of somebody being twice as strong having more than twice the destructive capability?
The Solar System is much larger than a planet, but SPC is much, much stronger than First Form Freeza. Even then, all Cell has to do is have enough strength to blow up the Sun. That 'blows away' the Solar System and a Solar System bust is more a feat of attack distance than it is attack potency.
Somebody using 20% of their power isn't gonna be able to destroy, say, 10x more than what they could destroy using 10% of their power. That makes no sense whatsoever.
The sun is almost 109 times the diameter of Earth. It is so large that about 1.300.000 planet Earths can fit inside of it.
According to the SEG numbers,
Ssj: 50 Ssj2: 100
So somebody that is only a 50 point increase can destroy that is large as 109 times the diameter of earth which can fit 1.300.000 earths inside the sun.
No, that's false. Somebody who's 50 could destroy something that's half the size of the sun.
MSSJ Gohan is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First-form Freeza, and not being able to destroy the Sun doesn't mean that you've only got enough power to destroy a single planet; Gohan could destroy a Star that's half the size of the Sun.
That's not how percentages work. If you can lift a house at 10%, you'd be able to lift a house twice as heavy at 20%. Why would a difference of 10% be such a massive gap?
How is that linear? Cell whose Ssj2 level was a solar system buster, Ssj1 Goku was only capable only busting around planet size destruction.
Because Vegeta got Beerus to use ten percent. Goku is stronger than that ten percent presumably, in which case anything above .1 or 10% times ten would be more then 1, or 100%.
I mean you tell me, why would 12% be anything but equal to 12/100 (or 3/25 if you simplify)? And that multiplied by ten already makes Goku more powerful than Beerus.
Frankly super saiyan god super saiyan kaioken times ten has pretty much destroyed any chance of getting a coherent power scale out of DBS.
You're assumption could be wrong from the start, assuming that Beerus was truthful to the 10%, while later episodes blow that statement out of the water. That 6, 10, 15 has to be put in context with Toriyama gave that during BoG. There's a lot more evidence to suggest Beerus lied about lying. Not disagreeing with you totally, but just saying there's a possibility that 10% is not even true.
And two, in dragon ball, that's not how linear power gaps works, Nagito said if you're at 20% you should be able to lift a house that's twice as heavy as you were when you're at 10%. The destructive capabilities does't work like that from Ssj1 to Ssj2, why would strength work like that in dragonball? Sometimes a gap from 100 to 200 makes you way more that twice as strong in destructive capabilities like with Ssj2. The solar system is wayyy bigger than a planet. While other times makes you still around the same capabilities as before. My point there is no linear relationship where it's directly proportional.
Can you give examples of somebody being twice as strong having more than twice the destructive capability?
The Solar System is much larger than a planet, but SPC is much, much stronger than First Form Freeza. Even then, all Cell has to do is have enough strength to blow up the Sun. That 'blows away' the Solar System and a Solar System bust is more a feat of attack distance than it is attack potency.
Somebody using 20% of their power isn't gonna be able to destroy, say, 10x more than what they could destroy using 10% of their power. That makes no sense whatsoever.
The sun is almost 109 times the diameter of Earth. It is so large that about 1.300.000 planet Earths can fit inside of it.
According to the SEG numbers,
Ssj: 50 Ssj2: 100
So somebody that is only a 50 point increase can destroy that is large as 109 times the diameter of earth which can fit 1.300.000 earths inside the sun.
No, that's false. Somebody who's 50 could destroy something that's half the size of the sun.
MSSJ Gohan is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First-form Freeza, and not being able to destroy the Sun doesn't mean that you've only got enough power to destroy a single planet; Gohan could destroy a Star that's half the size of the Sun.
Nope, can you disprove Cell's statement?
Why would I have to disprove Cell's Statement? I think that Cell can 'blow away' the Solar System, be that through just destroying the Sun or somehow expanding his attack to engulf the whole Solar System. You have to prove to me why destructive capabilities aren't linear.
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