Standardised wages without jobs

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Standardised wages without jobs
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* Mitas	May 3 2016, 11:40 AM Post #1
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	There seem to always be stories about companies slashing the amount of people they hire, and there is an increasing number of jobs being made obsolete because of A.I.; do you think that society will ever reach a point where there aren't enough jobs available for everyone? I'm not sure how close we are to this point, but to me it feels inevitable. I think I made a similar topic before, but I want to aim this in a particular direction (hence the topic title): if we reach the point I mentioned above, do you think there will ever be a sort of 'Universal Wage' or 'Living Allowance'? I guess it would be similar to Jobseekers Allowance in the UK, except without the expectation of looking for a job, since there aren't any. It wouldn't necessarily prohibit people from looking for a job (obviously the allowance would be basic, so if you want to improve your finances you could search for a job if possible), but it seems like it would have to be in place if there just weren't enough jobs on the market? Also, if that were to come into place, how basic do you think it would be? Making it to bare bones would be penalising people for something they don't have control over (whether they can find a job or not), but it obviously wouldn't be cost-effective for the government to make it too much.
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*Copy_Ninja*	May 3 2016, 12:02 PM Post #2
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Universal basic income is an idea that's been kicking around for a while now and like you said has come up a bit more with growing automisation in the work force. It's hard to tell how many jobs will be lost because we don't know enough about what's coming but it's something we need to be prepared for. I think Switzerland is having a referendum on introducing it either this year or next year so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. I have a sort of cautious support of it. I like the idea in theory and would love to see it successfully integrated but I do worry about how feasible it is. I'm far from an expert on economics so I don't know all the potential ramifications of introducing it. You would obviously need to increase taxes, probably across the board. But then I imagine you could gain quite a bit by then cutting a good amount of welfare that's no longer required. But then is it going to act as a disincentive for employment? But it might also impact on things such as healthcare by lowering health issues directly related with poverty. I'd need to see some more in depth studies on it first.
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* Yu Narukami	May 3 2016, 10:02 PM Post #3
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	The idea that it could disincentivise people from getting jobs is a very real worry, yeah. However, I think it could open up the gates for some true innovation and progress; people would go into jobs that they wanted to do but couldn't before. Like, if an office worker had a really intense hobby of playing the guitar and felt that they would be a great musician, this would give them the freedom to try it out. Currently, that's not really possible, as quitting your job to try and make it in any kind of business like that is extremely dangerous. Under UBI, even if they fail, they won't become a victim of the economy or poverty. Of course, I'm only talking about this in a hypothetical sense. I have no idea how it would actually work, but it's important to discuss ideas like this, even if they aren't realistically feasible.



+ Steve	May 3 2016, 10:29 PM Post #4
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah considering how many people sit on benefits with no interest in getting a job currently there'd need to be some measures in place to make sure people don't just get extremely lazy. I think having to deal with benefits and such being low is good enough, there will probably always be jobs involving physical labour and their always should be really otherwise obesity rates will go through the roof. Unless you had mandatory fitness classes or something like that people had to attend if they wanted the wage. Hope this never happens really, it'd be an extremely unrewarding life. Would just be nice if the economies of the world could support making the old and the disabled have comfortable lives. Most people would probably just stagnate if they could get away with it, there's no real motivation to be successful if you pretty much can't be poor.
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